Beth Moore

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I take issue with the statement that many Catholics are ignorant of Scripture. That is simply not the case with faithful Catholics. There are plenty of lukewarm Protestants who do not know Scripture, as would be the case for nominal Catholics.
 
nice to know about Beth Moore. thanks for sharing those thoughts.
 
I’m shocked and surprised by people’s fear of Holy Scriptures on this forum. I noticed that the admisinstraiton ‘closed’ another thread discussing Beth Moore just yesterday or today. Why??? Studying the Bible for the Bible must be a real threat, somehow. I can’t help but think how sad that must make Jesus.

I’ve done many Beth Moore studies over the years. I have never, ever heard her speak negatively about ANY religion. She works strictly from God’s Word. Why is that to be feared?!

I remember a nun teaching us in fifth grade that if we ever wondered about the truth of a teaching, we just need to compare it to the Word of God. She said the Bible would never steer us wrong. How I have taken those words to heart on so many occasions. May God richly bless her for her wisdom. It has kept me grounded to Jesus, and I love Him so.

:coffeeread: I expect this thread will be shut down as well, with all the activity. :tsktsk:
 
JanisPhelps said:
I feel I must respond about Beth Moore. As a solid, long-believing Catholic woman, I have to applaud Moore for her incite, passion, and love for Jesus. She has never said anything that I find remotely objectionable about Catholicism, Christianity, our Lord, God, or anything I could vaguely infer as heretical. She is enormously in love with Christ, abundantly schooled in Scripture (which many Catholics are ignorant), and keeps publicly praying for grace and direction in her walk of faith and belief in our Lord of Lords. What must a non-Catholic do to gain respect? She is a Christian, a BELIEVER…please, show this woman the heart and respect that she is due. Thank God for people like her…the uncircumcised preaching to the “circumcised.” Where is your humility and gratitude? Amen.
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Well said, JanisPhelps, well said.
 
God’s Word as defined By His Church is Sacred Scripture AND Sacred Tradition. When one participates in a Bible Study that does not hold to the element of Sacred Tradition one can be led in the wrong direction.

I believe in my heart that there are many many well meaning Christain brothers and sisters out there who are doing wonderful things in the Name of Our Lord. I have respect for them and have learned a lot from them as well. This does not make them correct in their theology nor in thier understanding of God’s Word. Yes we can benefit by working together and have an appreciation of dedication to Christ but we must never lose site that the Truth is the Truth.
 
I’m shocked and surprised by people’s fear of Holy Scriptures on this forum.
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I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean. They have a whole section just to discuss Scripture. Could you be just a teensy, weensy bit biased?
 
Ceil-1 said:
I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean. They have a whole section just to discuss Scripture. Could you be just a teensy, weensy bit biased?
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Biased? Yes, I suppose so. I choose holy, inspired, Scripture over man.
 
=ASojourner;7500293]Biased? Yes, I suppose so. I choose holy, inspired, Scripture over man
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How do you know you aren’t deceiving yourself and rebelling against God? 'Cause it looks that way from where I’m standing. Your tone gives you away.
 
Yes, I think you were off base. We as Catholics we have to have a open heart and mind and know to descern through the help of the Holy Spirit any Bible study.

My Catholic church does not have bible studys, but does have Catechism, and the ladies there hardly use the bible for scripture support, when teaching the kids. They stick to the Catechism book and don’t go above that. There is a lack of knowledge in the Holy Word, we have to be more inquisitive and enjoy the scripture.

We need to learn more form our Christian brothers and sisters to support our faith through the Bible and dig in the Word of our Lord.
 
estesbob said:
My wife converetd to our Faith 4 years ago(she was Anglican). The other night, at a CPC banquet beleive it or not, a fellow catholic invited her to go to a weekly Scripture Study at a local Baptist Church. She told her it was led by a minister with a Maters in Scripture and they used Beth Moores study guides. She told the lady she would get back woith her.

Afterwards she asked me what I thought and i told her that IMO she had no business going to a Proestatnt Scripture study ecspcially not one based on Beth Moore Stuides.

I had a frined who did this once and she quit in disgust when they got to Galatians.

Was I off base telling her it was a BAD idea?
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Personally I find Beth Moore to belong to the “empowering women” niche like Joyce Meyer. It can sometimes produce a worse than the first character, a mere masking rather than actual strength, I am still trying to understand why this particular niche has such a strong following, but with the modern expectation of what defines a woman by women, it leaves me unsurprised that this niche is healthily alive in response to our western culture.
 
byzgrl said:
The short answer: no. Catholic should not go to non-Catholic bible studies. The longer answer is contained within the article below:

catholic.com/magazine/articles/should-catholics-go-to-non-denominational-bible-studies
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Good Advice. Even if we were to assume everyone had the best of intentions there will be many ideas that will be inherently taught by assumption. For example, Bible Alone or humbly yielding to God’s guidance in Apostolic Tradition. That list of doctrines goes on and on. Since these ideas will be promoted by the inherent nature of the class and by assumption these doctrines often get promoted underneath ones radar. That is, they get promoted without one even realizing that they are slowly getting indoctrinated into them.

Why should I respect one’s degree in Scripture if they can read John Chapter 6 and deny the Real Presence in the Eucharist, or if they can read Matthew 16:13-19 and deny the Papacy.

There are many more problems than just the few that Steve Ray points out in the really article he writes above…
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I actually came to the Catholic faith via Beth Moore, including other influences by the grace of God. She brought me to the foot of the Cross and to the Precious Blood, when I knew nothing about the devotion the Sacred Heart. Obviously she was not speaking in Catholic terms, but the Cross is the Cross. She is a gifted teacher and the real deal; personable, open and humble. Her style may be off-putting to some, but that is just the style. I actually held off doing more of her studies for 10 years after my conversion because of insecurity in my new faith and not wanting to be confused. I’ve now started studying them again because she really opens the Scriptures to me and I can see the errors, I believe, which mostly concern “once saved always saved” theology–but mainline Protestants don’t believe this either. She also used the “big rock, little rock” interpretation of Peter…but she’s only good as the commentaries she uses and I think she’d be the first to admit it. Anyway, she isn’t Catholic, but she strongly believes in unity. And I know it’s the Protestant concept of unity, but a person can only do the best they can. I think I see this because I’m a convert and can see how different people think.

As to the symbolic interpretation of the Eucharist–the Eucharist and love for Christ in the Blessed Sacrament are what keeps me Catholic. That being said, I think cradle Catholics don’t get how Protestants today (who by the way never think of themselves as “Protestants”) can read Scripture and not see the Eucharist. But I never did growing up Presbyterian–because I never knew about it, even though I had read Church history. I think I just automatically dismissed it on a subconscious level. Belief in the Real Presence is a gift from the Holy Spirit. If you have it from baptism you are blessed! But there’s a tendency to sola scriptura in all of us–John 6 doesn’t obviously point to a literal–or a symbolic–interpretation. We believe it because the Church has always believed it, and then we read John 6 through that lens and we see it, just as we see the Trinity and the fact that Jesus is God. That took the Church to define and teach before people automatically saw that, and now we just see it when we read Scripture. Modern-day Protestants, most of them anyway, don’t deliberately reject the Real Presence–they just weren’t raised knowing it existed as an option. Even the great Reformed scholar William Barclay–whom Fr. Mitch Pacwa has spoken well of–his commentary on John 6 is the symbolic view. We were just raised seeing it that way; it wasn’t an anti-Catholic thing as it was following the Reformation.

Didn’t mean to get off track–I don’t know what to say about Beth Moore. I love her and she enriches my love of Christ and Scripture and goodness knows we Catholics need more joy, less apathy, and love of Scripture. But I would hesitate to facilitate a study for fear of harming “weaker brethren”–even after 10 years I still get tempted to join an evangelical church. But you know what–Jesus in the Eucharist just won’t let me! There must have been a reason I had such a powerful conversion in the Eucharist and Sacred Heart to the Catholic faith, because I’ve had a really hard time finding a home in parish life. But I’m still here! And I pray for unity so much.
 
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