Better off as a puddle of blood in an abortion clinic

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savone:
This being said, I’ll simply say that I can understand the statement; the thinking behind it. You see, I was one of those children. And now, later in life, I still wonder if it wouldn’t have been better, forgive me merciful Lord, if I hadn’t ever been born.
Your story is beyond what I can envision. This is the kind of thing I remember reading decades ago in Sybil. The fact that you are able to put this into coherent language tells me that you must be very strong. You have to be.

Do you mind telling about how you are doing now? Do you still have connections with these terrible situations, and have you experienced much healing yet? Does your outlook for the future have hope, or any type of calling?

Alan
 
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savone:
…You see, I was one of those children. And now, later in life, I still wonder if it wouldn’t have been better, forgive me merciful Lord, if I hadn’t ever been born.
Savone, the things done to you as a child were terrible. But I think anyone who defends abortion because of stories like yours forgets that abortion is a form of child abuse: In abortion, the mother kills the child. It’s not that aborted babies are never born; they are born dead–often piece by piece as they are torn limb from limb while still alive.
 
I am on my way Rayne:mad: Isn’t it strange that child abuse went up 1500% after abortion was made legal:banghead: My husband was abused growing up too:mad: Shame:tsktsk:
 
It’s not just money that’s needed; it’s OUR time:
Volunteer! Boys/Girls clubs, at group foster homes, become foster parents (good ones!), become a CASA… there are many opportunities to help.

Savone, I am praying for you, and I am sorry that no one willing to help found you in those situations.
 
Savone, have you considered writing a book, or about a career in crisis counseling? Just curious.

Alan
 
Savone,it would not had been better if you were never born,do not listen to the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning.:nope: I am so sorry for what you have gone through:crying: You may be called to help those who have experienced that kind of abuse:( The same attitude and demonic activity that perpetuates the culture of death was involved in what happened to you.You as a human made in the image and likeness of God were treated as if you were property to be done with as they pleased:nope: How dare they hurt you like that:tsktsk: No you did not deserve it:crying: God Bless you and if you need to talk please PM me and do NOT allow dispair to creep in,Lisa
 
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rayne89:
The statement below is part of a post that someone made another forum I’m on that debates abortion.
Children who are beaten without cause, severley punished for minor infractions, visibly hated by their parents. Some of those children may never have their childhood scars heal. Some of those children, Godd forgive me, would have been better off as a puddle of blood in an abortion clinic.

I have tried very hard on this particular forum to be charitable despite some the most vulgar insulting comments made. But this particular staement rocked me to the core. My husband was the victim of awful abuse and to say this incredible man whom I love with all my soul, who is an amazing dad would be better off as a pool of blood on an abortionist table just ripped through me like a knife. I think I did ok with my reponse, I really had to hold back.

The sad thing is people believe this is compassion to kill off unborn children because of the sins of their parents.

I’m really just venting here, my heart is just hurting. Instead of putting effort forth to help these kids it’s just easier to kill them off and be done with it. May God help us.
The quality of life argument eventually leads to one person alive or everyone dead at its final conlcusion (and even then, the one must pass away). The chain event taken to the strict extreme is death for all.

From the post you copied to here, the author either does not want to admit or hasn’t seen an ultrasound or any kind of imaging of a baby in the womb. There’s is so much more than blood.

And granted, the childhood scars may never heal on earth, but in Heaven with God, a complete healing is possible. I am not denying the pain and scar that will endure during the earthly sojourn. The people who say things like the above should be throwing their efforts into eradicating the abuse, promoting good clean foster homes and adoption. Abortion perpetuates abuse and kills large numbers of the future.:o Thanks and God Bless.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I am on my way Rayne:mad: Isn’t it strange that child abuse went up 1500% after abortion was made legal:banghead: My husband was abused growing up too:mad: Shame:tsktsk:
Hey Lisa,
I was wondering if you could provide the source for the 1500% so I can use it for future reference. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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slinky1882:
Hey Lisa,
I was wondering if you could provide the source for the 1500% so I can use it for future reference. Thanks and God Bless.
It was either Priests for life or life dynamics I got the figure at a pro-life groups I do believe it was priests for life.I will try to find out which one so you can get the source of the study.God Bless
 
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savone:
Welcome to my world, or at least the first 6,200 days.

Before being given away, I would be thrown (literally) into my crib, slapped repeatedly about the body, and accompanied by screaming that people heard a block away. After haven been given away and still as an infant, more yelling and screaming, beatings, and in appropriate acts with my penis. It only escalated from there. Witnesses have verified all of this.

There were beatings with hands, rolled newspapers, brooms, bottles, rulers and yard sticks; belts; cigarette burns; hands put on a hot stove to teach me not to put my hands on a hot stove; strangulation; kicked; alcohol and food thrown in my face; and, threats to cut off my penis. To teach me not to ask for anything, if there was a particular piece of clothing I liked (e.g., a jacket), it would be destroyed in front of me because of an “infraction.” Some of this done in front of other people.

Then, there was the verbal stuff: “You’re a jackass.” “You’re a simpleton.” “Your real mother was a whore.” “You’re an SOB.” “You’re an idiot.” “What you need is a 2x4 upside the head.” “You’re no d___ good.” “You’ll never amount to a d___ thing.” “You’re a liar.” (Was made to eat soap on this one). “You’re a thief.” “Can’t you do anything right.” “You G__D___ SOB, I ought to take care of you with a butcher knife.” “Why in the h__ I put up with you I’ll never know.” “I’ll ship you off to reform school.” “I’ll ship you off to prison. They like young boys there.” “I’ll ship you off to your real mammy. Her boyfriend will straighten you out quick.” (The “F” word hadn’t come into use yet; hard to tell what else there might have been).

Despite in being determined, as a child, I had a high IQ; I had extreme difficulty concentrating and barely passed in school. Nearly every activity or association that I tried I was either never accepted or thrown out of. I was beaten up at school, ridiculed by classmates for the condition of my clothing and “stupid remarks,” even made fun of by some of the teachers. I was 14 and still having difficulty controlling my bodily functions. Thankfully, the soiling my underwear stopped around then, but the bedwetting didn’t stop until my late 20’s. I ran away a number of times (for a total of roughly 6,000 miles) always to be returned to the same setting. (Think I didn’t get some punishment then). I was in juvenile court several times (Lord only knows what it would have been if the drug scene had kicked in while as this was going on). Oh, yeah, and all of the above was “my fault because I was such a sinful person,” or, at least, that’s what my Protestant “pastor” told me.

For those who might have some difficulty relating, go volunteer with a Child Protective Services Unit for a time. What happened to me is only the “tip of the iceberg,” as recent events in national news demonstrates.

I’ll close with the first words of my original post.

My comments on this are not an endorsement of abortion nor an agreement with the posted statement. I do not seek to insult you or in any way add to the distress it has caused you.

This being said, I’ll simply say that I can understand the statement; the thinking behind it. You see, I was one of those children. And now, later in life, I still wonder if it wouldn’t have been better, forgive me merciful Lord, if I hadn’t ever been born.
savone,
I am very sorry to hear what happened to you. Although I did not suffer to the extant that you did, I can say that it took me 20 years to figure out my first memories of both my parents (seperate incidents) revolved around verbal and physical abuse (not primarily aimed at me, but it overspilled at times). As a rule, I don’t speak of the first 13 or so years of my life other than real abstractly (i.e. where I Lived as I moved a bit when I was younger, non-military family though), and I am surprised I am saying this here. But, to this day if someone drops a dish or glass and it shatters or someone pounds their fist on a table, I freeze. I have always felt that if I did something different or it was my fault. I remember it wasn’t until I was 21 years old that a friend finally told me it wasn’t my fault. So, you are in my prayers, and although I do not know the full extent as mine lasted much shorter, I can empathize to a degree. May God grant you the Grace to Love through Mercy and Justice. Thanks and God Bless.
 
Dear Savone - after reading more of your story and thinking about the “deep holes” as you called them, I want you to know that you will find amongst these threads, people who can understand. I am praying for the Holy Spirit, the Great Comforter, to fill your holes with His Joy! If you can do your part and ask for this, you will receive! smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_12_11.gif
 
while i can certainly understand living in the shadow of a past that is so dark, and under the weight of a sadness that is so terrible and crushing that one would entertain the idea that it would perhaps had been better never to have been born, whether or not i actually think or act like that is up to me.

but what a person does people when he passes similar judgment on someone else’s life - or, god forbid, act on that judgment - is to make that choice for them. and how can anyone pretend to be entitled to do that?
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I am on my way Rayne:mad: Isn’t it strange that child abuse went up 1500% after abortion was made legal:banghead: My husband was abused growing up too:mad: Shame:tsktsk:
I’m not surprised - after all, abortion is the most evil thing one can do: Kill someone because they’re inconvenient.

When the law says one can be this horrendously evil, why not do things that are less evil like abusing children?
 
Dear rayne89,
I’ve been trying to do the quote-and-post thing, but I seem to keep losing the copy. So,…

I’m glad that you and your husband have found one another and pray that the love you share it a great blessing and comfort to you both. Knowing the “demons” that can haunt a person, as well as the pain; you can appreciate, I think, that there is “immense suffering” for which there is no simple and quick solution.

It’s unfortunate that sometimes in forums there are “the most vulgar insulting comments.” You said you were “venting,” and your “heart hurting.” I hope you have been able to vent. I’ve devoted hours and hours venting to God. God has eased my hurt, as I hope yours has been eased.

Thank you for your prayers. The Lord has had mercy on me, shown His love for me, and given me a gift of life not formally known.

God bless you and your loved ones.
 
Dear grotto,
I’ve been trying to do the quote-and-post thing, but I seem to keep losing the copy. So,…

“Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” Eventually, I did get to some questions: What had happened to these folks? What love had been denied them and how had they been abused? How was it that they were unable to come to a better way of life, more kind and loving? I was never able to get any answers. I suspect that there suffering was every bit that as mine, if not more.

Yes, I have prayed. “Come, Holy Spirit. Fill my heart with forgiveness, mercy, compassion, and comfort that the Christ might ever live within in the love of the Heavenly Father.”

Thank you for your prayers. God bless you and your loved ones.
 
Dear AlanFromWichita,
I’ve been trying to do the quote-and-post thing, but I seem to keep losing the copy. So,…

A couple of folks I know have the “bipolar disorder.” It’s been a struggle, although each is making progress. I pray and trust this is the same for you.

The physical wounds heal the quickest. The wounds of thinking and reasoning take longer. The wounds that wound the spirit, only the Holy Spirit can contend with these.

How are things now? Well, for some 15 years after high school, not good. They were not good at all. Gradually, since then I have experienced tremendous healing. Thanks be to God and those who have been His healing servants!

Write a book? Nah. It’s already been written, in the Holy Bible. Also, it has been written many times by others. Besides, mine is not that unusual. There are others who had it far, far worse than I. And, they have “turned out” so much better than me. On the other hand, there are those who had it far, far better than I. And, well, they continue to suffer immeasurably more than I do.

Tried social work, very briefly. Was assigned to work with child protective services. I lasted a week. Too painful.

Thank you for your prayers. God bless you and your loved ones.
 
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savone:
The physical wounds heal the quickest. The wounds of thinking and reasoning take longer. The wounds that wound the spirit, only the Holy Spirit can contend with these.

How are things now? Well, for some 15 years after high school, not good. They were not good at all. Gradually, since then I have experienced tremendous healing. Thanks be to God and those who have been His healing servants!

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May I just say, “Thank you”?

Thank you.:love:
 
Part of a transcript from the Auschwitz trial of personnel:

“By August 1944 the Gypsies had been reduced to 4,000 in number. Because of the filth and starvation, they had been ravaged by diseases unknown to medicine since the Dark Ages. When Himmler had come to Auschwitz and seen children with grotesquely twisted bodies, with faces without noses and teeth protruding through skinless cheeks, he had taken pity. Everyone in the Gypsy compound was to be gassed, he had ordered, as a humanitarian solution.”

Murder done out of “pity”.
 
Dear You who are somebody, yet choose to be identified as “nobody”,

“It’s not just money that’s needed; it’s OUR time:
Volunteer! Boys/Girls clubs, at group foster homes, become foster parents (good ones!), become a CASA… there are many opportunities to help.” Yes, these and so many ways. Yet, one of the problems seems that people want everybody else to do it. Lots of education and attention needs to be drawn to these issues.

“Savone, I am praying for you, and I am sorry that no one willing to help found you in those situations.” Thank you. There were individuals, mainly after high school, who were so caring, compassionate, and kind.

Thank you for your prayers. God bless you and your loved ones.
 
Dear gardenswithkids,

“Savone, the things done to you as a child were terrible. But I think anyone who defends abortion because of stories like yours forgets that abortion is a form of child abuse: In abortion, the mother kills the child. It’s not that aborted babies are never born; they are born dead–often piece by piece as they are torn limb from limb while still alive.”

Yes, there is the potential for using stories like mine to “defend” abortion. However, that would be very flawed thinking. No one could have had an idea of what would unfold after I was born. The questions involved are different ones: 1) abort a child? and 2) how do we raise this child? As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, question #2 needs to be addressed in a more comprehensive manner which, I believe, would help reduce #1 as an option.

By the way, I get a chuckle out of your signature each time I read it.

Thank you for your prayers. God bless you and your loved ones.
 
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