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I was amazed the first time I read Jane Eyre to discover such a strong and independent woman in a nineteenth-century novel. The earlier poster who remarked that women in earlier eras did a lot more than drink tea and have ‘the vapors’ was right on the money. Jane is one of my favorite characters in literature.

Deb, Middlemarch always gets me down, too! Perhaps you could try The Mill on the Floss, if you’re still interested in Eliot.
 
I was amazed the first time I read Jane Eyre to discover such a strong and independent woman in a nineteenth-century novel. The earlier poster who remarked that women in earlier eras did a lot more than drink tea and have ‘the vapors’ was right on the money. Jane is one of my favorite characters in literature.

Deb, Middlemarch always gets me down, too! Perhaps you could try The Mill on the Floss, if you’re still interested in Eliot.
That was me that wrote about drinking tea and vapors! For a long time, I thought that Dickens females were typical examples of females of times past. Very sweet but no strength and then I began to expand my reading. Wow! Was I in for a surprise.

I have read(I might have the name wrong) Silas Mariner by Elliot. I loved the whole plot of the novel. A young girl is adopted by a single man only to find out years later that she is the heir to a fortune, which if I remember correctly, she turns down.
 
ONe of my favorite scenes in Jane Eyre is when(I can’t remember his name) her employer ask if she finds him handsome and she answers matter of factly, “No.”🙂 I must be easily amused because I always find that scene humorous.
No - it is funny. I’m the same with Elizabeth declining to marry first Collins and then Darcy in Pride and Prej 🙂 There’s something about a woman giving what-for to a man who’s expecting her to fawn all over him in thankfulness just because he notices her.

I was thinking Silas Marner might be a good introduction to George Eliot for you. But I see you’ve read it already.
 
Elizabeth Gaskel I read a book by her entitled *North and South. *It is an excellent book-all these books are very good- and I believe that this book was portrayed on Masterpiece Theater.
I’ve only read “Cranworth,” which is more a series of linked stories. Good in a quiet way but didn’t bowl me over.

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Francies Burney
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Thus far my favorite author and guess what? Jane Austen liked her too. Burney was married to a Catholic and she is more sympathetic toward Catholics then some other writers of the time period.
I really want to read her–I never have. Thanks for reminding me.

The same goes for Radcliffe.
**Marie Edgeworth **I recently finished reading Belinda(1801) Another good book
I’ve read the Absentee. Very interesting for early-19th-century Irish history (the “Absentee” of the title is an absentee landlord of Irish estates, and there’s a moving passage late in the novel where he actually visits Ireland and gets to know the Irish peasants).

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Margaret Oliphant
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Currently I am reading a book entitled Hester by this woman. It is an interesting read because one of the characters, Catherine Vernon-a woman, of course- used to run a successful bank! Wait, I thought women couldn’t do these things in the 1800s? Apparently they could in Oliphant’s novels. She also wrote a very entertaining book that is more humorous then Hester. That book is Miss Marjobanks
I’ve heard of her but have not read the book.

Here are a few more Victorian writers that you might find intriguing:

First of all, there’s Charlotte Yonge–an Anglo-Catholic novelist whose novels (at least the two I’ve read) focus on coming-of-age stories about sensitive, intelligent, devout young people. The *Heir of Redcliffe *is sentimental and melodramatic but a great read. And her theology is pretty close to Catholicism (one of her novels focuses on the spiritually harmful effects of a young woman’s decision to put off confirmation–she is thus deprived of the grace of the Sacrament and isn’t ready for the trials and temptations that come her way).

Then there’s Dinah Maria Mulock Craik, best known today perhaps for her children’s novel *The LIttle Lame Prince. *But she also wrote a novel called *John Halifax, Gentleman, *that I enjoyed as a teenager. It’s another coming-of-age story about a morally upright young man–quite a bit like Yonge. Given the other writers you’ve listed, I think you’d like Craik.

Jane Porter’s *Scottish Chiefs *is the Braveheart of the early 19th century (in subject matter, that is!). She also wrote a novel about a Polish patriot, *Thaddeus of Warsaw. *I started it but never finished it, but I loved Scottish Chiefs. It’s way over the top and idealized, but fun if you like that sort of thing.

Then there are a bunch of evangelical female novelists that my mother and I used to read out loud to each other (as we did with Austen, Craik, and the Brontes). But I won’t burden you with those unless you are really interested.

A secondary source worth reading is *Gains and Losses: Novels of Faith and Doubt in Victorian England, *by Robert Lee Wolff. He discusses a lot of female writers of various religious stripes (I think this is where I’ve read about Oliphant, actually).

Edwin
 
I’ve heard of her but have not read the book.

First of all, there’s Charlotte Yonge–an Anglo-Catholic novelist whose novels (at least the two I’ve read) focus on coming-of-age stories about sensitive, intelligent, devout young people. The *Heir of Redcliffe *is sentimental and melodramatic but a great read. And her theology is pretty close to Catholicism (one of her novels focuses on the spiritually harmful effects of a young woman’s decision to put off confirmation–she is thus deprived of the grace of the Sacrament and isn’t ready for the trials and temptations that come her way).

Then there’s Dinah Maria Mulock Craik, best known today perhaps for her children’s novel *The LIttle Lame Prince. *But she also wrote a novel called *John Halifax, Gentleman, *that I enjoyed as a teenager. It’s another coming-of-age story about a morally upright young man–quite a bit like Yonge. Given the other writers you’ve listed, I think you’d like Craik.

Jane Porter’s *Scottish Chiefs *is the Braveheart of the early 19th century (in subject matter, that is!). She also wrote a novel about a Polish patriot, *Thaddeus of Warsaw. *I started it but never finished it, but I loved Scottish Chiefs. It’s way over the top and idealized, but fun if you like that sort of thing.

Then there are a bunch of evangelical female novelists that my mother and I used to read out loud to each other (as we did with Austen, Craik, and the Brontes). But I won’t burden you with those unless you are really interested.

A secondary source worth reading is *Gains and Losses: Novels of Faith and Doubt in Victorian England, *by Robert Lee Wolff. He discusses a lot of female writers of various religious stripes (I think this is where I’ve read about Oliphant, actually).

Edwin
Good! Some of these writers I’ve never heard of, so it will be interesting to explore them.🙂

My hubby is going to Afghanistan for six months so I need some good reading to keep my spirits up.

I’m just looking for fictional writers now, perhaps I’ll try the evangelical female writers at a later date.

Maybe I will look Yonge up tonight on Amazon.
 
I would recommend East Lynne by Mrs Henry Wood (aka Ellen Price) It’s got bigamy, murder, a beautiful heroine and a wicked villain! It was an incredibly popular book when it came out in the 1860s and there was a popular melodrama based on it containing the immortal line “Dead! And never called me Mother!” which was not in the original novel.
go on, give it a try!
 
I would recommend East Lynne by Mrs Henry Wood (aka Ellen Price) It’s got bigamy, murder, a beautiful heroine and a wicked villain! It was an incredibly popular book when it came out in the 1860s and there was a popular melodrama based on it containing the immortal line “Dead! And never called me Mother!” which was not in the original novel.
go on, give it a try!
Well, if its similar to Wilkie Collins(who’s a man and I should’t include on this list) then I would probably enjoy it. Wilkie Collins wrote a book called Armadale that includes a diabolical, red headed woman, two men with the same name, an interracial marriage and murder! It was interesting because Collins wrote this partly in response to another writer’s prejudice, so he made certain to include a noble, heroic black man. I’ve often wondered why this novel is not more famous.

I know, I know, I broke my own rule about female writers. I’m sorry.:o
 
comes after our period, but the thrillers and sensation stories of Louisa May Alcott have been rediscovered and published, and make great reading.
 
I’ve read Jane Eyre about five times, and have seen every movie version there is (watching part two of the PBS version this Sunday!)

To me, Jane Eyre is like comfort food. Something I grab and read when I just need to feel warm and happy and drowning in something I know and love.

Like chocolate - but not as fattening. 😃

~Liza
 
I would like to hear from the English lit majors here on the transition from the novel of Jane Austen’s day (Napoleanic era) and how she differed from earlier Gothic novelists and more broad sweeping storytellers like Fielding and Thackeray, and the deeply personal, psychological novels represented by the Brontes, Mary Shelley etc. I am sure there has been a tone of research linking the lives of women writers, Shelley, Brontes, Eliot etc. to the condition of women in society, law and culture over that period of time.

I am always struck by the sad history of the Brontes and their schoolmates–almost inevitable death by TB, consumption, decline other wasting diseases (which were probably all forms of TB) and the fate of Catholic saints of that era like Therese, Bernadette and others who contracted TB in the convents, which probably were like the boarding schools of the era, incubators for disease.
 
not really off topic since I will expand my original question
favorite movie/TV version of P&P or other Austen works

favorite TV/movie version of Jane Eyre

A&E remains my top choice for P&P, Teresa who used to participate here from England sent me pix of the house and estate used for Pemberly and environs

the latest PBS Jane Eyre is excellent, but I think the William Hurt version out a few years ago (I have forgotten the actress but she makes the best interpetation of Jane, which I don’t think can ever be excelled) is the best. Joan Fontaine was way too pretty.
 
Wow! I can’t believe how many there have been!!

imdb.com/find?s=all&q=Jane+Eyre

My favorite is the 1996 William Hurt version as well, you can’t beat Franco Zeffirelli for a beautiful film. But I would love to see the 1944 Orson Wells version again, it’s been ages!

~Liza - the hopeful romantic 😃
 
I agree that Joan Fontaine was too pretty, but Orson Welles was much closer physically to Bronte’s descriptions of Rochester than any of the subsequent actors who have have portrayed him. Perhaps, being a man, I am more sensitive to the actor than the actress in this case. I just get disappointed every time a new Jane Eyre film appears and Rochester is being played by the latest hunk du jour rather than someone closer to the book character. 😦
 
I agree that Joan Fontaine was too pretty, but Orson Welles was much closer physically to Bronte’s descriptions of Rochester than any of the subsequent actors who have have portrayed him. Perhaps, being a man, I am more sensitive to the actor than the actress in this case. I just get disappointed every time a new Jane Eyre film appears and Rochester is being played by the latest hunk du jour rather than someone closer to the book character. 😦
I absolutely agree with all of this. 👍 Give me a rough and burly Rochester any day!

~Liza
 
not really off topic since I will expand my original question
favorite movie/TV version of P&P or other Austen works

favorite TV/movie version of Jane Eyre

A&E remains my top choice for P&P, Teresa who used to participate here from England sent me pix of the house and estate used for Pemberly and environs

the latest PBS Jane Eyre is excellent, but I think the William Hurt version out a few years ago (I have forgotten the actress but she makes the best interpetation of Jane, which I don’t think can ever be excelled) is the best. Joan Fontaine was way too pretty.
I like A&E’s presentation of Pride and Prejudice best also.

I can’t remember which version of Jane Eyre that I saw though.
 
I watched the final two hours of the PBS Masterpiece Theater presentation of Jane Eyre last night. While I thought the kissing was a bit overdone for the period (perhaps I’m wrong, but I doubt they would be mashing face on her bed), I thought it was a beautifully shot film, absolutely beautiful costuming, and very good acting by both the leads.

It got me wondering though, why is this particular story “comfort food” for me.

Anyone else have a story that they read over and over and never get tired of?

~Liza
 
I’ve read Jane Eyre about five times, and have seen every movie version there is (watching part two of the PBS version this Sunday!)

To me, Jane Eyre is like comfort food. Something I grab and read when I just need to feel warm and happy and drowning in something I know and love.

Like chocolate - but not as fattening. 😃

~Liza
Oh Pride and Prejudice for me - must have read it at least half a dozen times apart from having studied it in high school.

And I have to say David Copperfield as well - love the discussion of David’s growing up and the very funny description of the ins and outs of his love life 😃
 
I’ve tried so hard to get through David Copperfield, but for some reason I just can’t. I’m actually looking at it right now in my book shelf in my office. 🙂 I must give it another try. I did enjoy what I had been able to read, but maybe I just got distracted with life or something.

Too many books, not enough life.

~Liza
 
I’ve tried so hard to get through David Copperfield, but for some reason I just can’t. I’m actually looking at it right now in my book shelf in my office. 🙂 I must give it another try. I did enjoy what I had been able to read, but maybe I just got distracted with life or something.

Too many books, not enough life.

~Liza
Oh who needs a life when you have books? 😉
 
I’ve tried so hard to get through David Copperfield, but for some reason I just can’t. I’m actually looking at it right now in my book shelf in my office. 🙂 I must give it another try. I did enjoy what I had been able to read, but maybe I just got distracted with life or something.

Too many books, not enough life.

~Liza
I have yet to finish anything by Dickens, other than A Christmas Carol. I just cannot like the man…
 
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