Bi-ritual and the Latin Church

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Hey everyone!

Can a Latin-Catholic priest become bi-ritual as to celebrate the Latin Mass and let’s say the Byzantine Mass?

God Bless 😃

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I know Fr Mitch Pacwa (EWTN) is bi-ritual…

Latin and Maronite
 
Bballer32 said:
Huh, I did not know that… That’s awesome!

Do you know how a priest would become bi-ritual? Or does anyone for that matter?
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Im not sure. I would expect in Fr Mitch’s case he would need permission from his superior general of the Jesuits? And I would guess permission from someone in the Maronite?

Just a guess on my part. I expect others here can answer that question. 🙂

Post your question perhaps in the Traditional forum? I would think someone there may know?
 
Bballer32 said:
Huh, I did not know that… That’s awesome!

Do you know how a priest would become bi-ritual? Or does anyone for that matter?
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  1. he gets permission from his bishop.
  2. he gets permission to study from a bishop of that rite.
  3. he studies under a priest who knows the rite he’s studying.
  4. he gets a recommendation from the priest training him
  5. he gets recommended to rome for the faculty - which is almost a pro-forma matter - and the bishop of the rite studied grants him faculties.
Usually, tho’, there’s a step 0:
  1. start by concelebrating in that rite.
Once he’s got permission to study the rite, he’s usually permitted to vest for that rite while concelebrating it.
 
When Pope Francis was just a priest, I believe he was bi-ritual Latin and Byzantine. He served as a Bishop for Both the Latin Church and Byzantine Church in Buenos Aires.
 
Bballer32 said:
Hey everyone!

Can a Latin-Catholic priest become bi-ritual as to celebrate the Latin Mass and let’s say the Byzantine Mass?

God Bless 😃

Bballer32
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There are the papal indults for **bi-ritual **and adaptation of rite.
  • Biritualism is a grant for a period of time to celebrate in the Divine Liturgy or Holy Mass and the Holy Sacraments according to the liturgical rite of another Church sui iuris as well as one’s own Church *sui iuris, *yet always ascribed to your own Church sui iuris.
  • The adaptation of rite is a papal indult allowing the foregoing and to be part of the liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony of another Church sui iuris, yet always ascribed to your own Church sui iuris. This second one is more common for those in religious institutes (such as a Latin Catholic in a Byzantine monastary or even for incardination of an eastern priest in a Latin diocese.)
If the reason for the grant ceases, so does the indult.

If the person has not obtained a transfer of ritual Church through the Bishops, then the ritual Church is still the Latin Church.

Source:

Inter-Ecclesial Relations Between Eastern and Latin Catholics: A Canonical-Pastoral Handbook by Dimitri Salachas & Krzysztof Nitkiewicz, English Edition by George Dmitry Gallaro, 2009, 157 pp., ISBN 1-932208-23-2
 
I am a Ukrainian Catholic, and our pastor was granted bi-ritual faculties, because he also served as a chaplain at a Roman Catholic hospital, and there was a need for him to offer the Roman Mass while there.

After speaking to him, I am advised that the granting of bi-ritual faculties is done pursuant to an agreement with the respective bishops, the bishop for the Roman Catholic diocese in which the priest was located and the bishop for the Ukrainian Catholic diocese in which the priest was located. The Ukrainian Catholic priest also had to undergo appropriate training to become qualified at offering the Roman Catholic Mass.

Deacons can also be bi-ritual. In the Eastern Catholic church, however, a deacon may not officiate at a wedding, because in the Eastern church, the priest is the one who confers the sacrament of matrimony, and a deacon cannot administer that sacrament.

In the Roman church, the parties are considered to confer the sacrament on each other, with the priest or deacon as a witness.

If an Eastern Catholic deacon is granted bi-ritual faculties, he is not permitted to perform wedding ceremonies in the Roman Catholic church.
 
TRH1292 said:
When Pope Francis was just a priest, I believe he was bi-ritual Latin and Byzantine. He served as a Bishop for Both the Latin Church and Byzantine Church in Buenos Aires.
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As I am informed, the Pope, although head of the Universal Catholic Church, is not bi-ritual, technically speaking. He is a Roma rite. He certainly has authority to celebrate the Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Rite if he wants to, and on at least one or more occasions, Pope John Paul II did so.
 
Shirtless said:
I am a Ukrainian Catholic, and our pastor was granted bi-ritual faculties, because he also served as a chaplain at a Roman Catholic hospital, and there was a need for him to offer the Roman Mass while there.

After speaking to him, I am advised that the granting of bi-ritual faculties is done pursuant to an agreement with the respective bishops, the bishop for the Roman Catholic diocese in which the priest was located and the bishop for the Ukrainian Catholic diocese in which the priest was located. The Ukrainian Catholic priest also had to undergo appropriate training to become qualified at offering the Roman Catholic Mass.

Deacons can also be bi-ritual. In the Eastern Catholic church, however, a deacon may not officiate at a wedding, because in the Eastern church, the priest is the one who confers the sacrament of matrimony, and a deacon cannot administer that sacrament.

In the Roman church, the parties are considered to confer the sacrament on each other, with the priest or deacon as a witness.

If an Eastern Catholic deacon is granted bi-ritual faculties, he is not permitted to perform wedding ceremonies in the Roman Catholic church.
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The Catholic Church please, not the “Roman Catholic” church.
 
Shirtless said:
As I am informed, the Pope, although head of the Universal Catholic Church, is not bi-ritual, technically speaking. He is a Roma rite. He certainly has authority to celebrate the Divine Liturgy of the Byzantine Rite if he wants to, and on at least one or more occasions, Pope John Paul II did so.
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Actually, from my understanding, the pope is technically omni-ritual since he is the head of the 23 rites of the Church 👍
 
Bballer32 said:
Actually, from my understanding, the pope is technically omni-ritual since he is the head of the 23 rites of the Church 👍
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No, that is not correct ecclesiology. The Pope is not the head of all the rites because the head of the rites is the head of each sui iuris Church. The Pope does not head each individual Church. Each Church is in communion with the Pope, who has Petrine primacy amongst patriarchs. Perhaps nuanced in difference, but substantial.

That being said, the Pope is considered omniritual.

Anyway, the process Aramis described is correct. I would also hope, at least implicitly, that there is some pastoral need for the faculties being granted. I.e. not so that the priest can “mix things up” when he’s bored with the Latin liturgy. I presume that figures in to the prudence of the episcopal approval.
 
MorEphrem said:
No, that is not correct ecclesiology. The Pope is not the head of all the rites because the head of the rites is the head of each sui iuris Church. The Pope does not head each individual Church. Each Church is in communion with the Pope, who has Petrine primacy amongst patriarchs. Perhaps nuanced in difference, but substantial.

That being said, the Pope is considered omniritual.

Anyway, the process Aramis described is correct. I would also hope, at least implicitly, that there is some pastoral need for the faculties being granted. I.e. not so that the priest can “mix things up” when he’s bored with the Latin liturgy. I presume that figures in to the prudence of the episcopal approval.
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Alright, thanks for the ecclesiology correction! 😃
 
Shirtless said:
If an Eastern Catholic deacon is granted bi-ritual faculties, he is not permitted to perform wedding ceremonies in the Roman Catholic church.
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Vergil said:
The Catholic Church please, not the “Roman Catholic” church.
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Actually neither. The name of the western Catholic Church is the Latin Church – which mainly uses the Roman Rite, but also several others like the Ambrosian Rite.
 
Bballer32 said:
Alright, thanks for the ecclesiology correction! 😃
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Anytime. Except now I want to make a more nuanced distinct that I overlooked related to Peter J’s post. The Pope does not just head the Roman Rite, but all the rites that are considered Western because, to my understanding, all their hierarchies fall under Rome.

My one question of peculiarity, though, is if a Church has no hierarchy (e.g. Russian), does Rome have authority to change its liturgy? Is Rome in charge of its liturgical “needs?” Or is the Church that “oversees” them? (because, for instance, in the Eastern US they’re supported by the Melkites but they commemorate the Ukrainian patriarch).
 
Vergil said:
The Catholic Church please, not the “Roman Catholic” church.
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I used the term “Roman Catholic Church” as a means of referring to the Roman Rite, and to distinguish it from the other rites of the Catholic church.

There are five principal rites of the Catholic church. Although the Roman rite is the largest, and the most well known, it is not the only one. Although all of the rites share a common faith, and are in communion with the Pope in Rome, each rite has its own rules on liturgy, style of worship, and rules of discipline. Approximately 25% of Catholics are members of the Eastern rites, yet many Roman rite Catholics, including many Roman rite priests, do not even know we exist.

For example, in the Byzantine Catholic rite (of which Ukrainian Catholics are a part), married men are ordained to the priesthood, infants are confirmed (chrismated) at the time of baptism.
 
Shirtless said:
I used the term “Roman Catholic Church” as a means of referring to the Roman Rite, and to distinguish it from the other rites of the Catholic church.
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But a *church *is not a rite. That’s why I suggested that you could have said “in the Latin Church”. (Although, as a matter of fact, if you had said “in the Roman Rite” that would have been acceptable as well.)
 
Shirtless said:
. x x x. Approximately 25% of Catholics are members of the Eastern rites, yet many Roman rite Catholics, including many Roman rite priests, do not even know we exist.

x x x. QUOTE]

I think the percentage you are citing is way too high!

How about 2.5% of the 1.2 billion Catholics are Eastern/Oriental Catholics? (And that may even be too high.)

Maybe you meant the totality of apostolic Eastern Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) which number about 300 million worldwide?
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Peter_J said:
But a *church *is not a rite. That’s why I suggested that you could have said “in the Latin Church”. (Although, as a matter of fact, if you had said “in the Roman Rite” that would have been acceptable as well.)
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Yes, I think you will find some authoritative documents that use “the Latin Church” and “the Roman Church” interchangably - and certainly many individual Latins do so, but I myself find this problematic. By ancient Tradition, and in canon law (as far as I know), the Roman Church almost always refers to the Diocese of Rome, the local particular Church which “presides in charity” (to use the phrase of St. Ignatius), of which the Pope is local bishop. The Latin Church is the proper name of the 2000+ particular local churches (dioceses and equivalent) that share the Western Christian patrimony and recognize the Bishop of Rome as their patriarch. (I use the term patriarch in the Eastern sense of the word as a means of analogy - Latin Catholicism never developed a strong patriarchal theology, but the Pope serves as our patriarch for all intents and purposes even if the Popes haven’t always used that title). You will see references to “the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Toronto” or the “Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Vancouver”, even in official sources, but I would take this to mean that these particular dioceses worshipo according to the Roman Rite.
 
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