The Holy Spirit didn’t canonize scripture, the Holy Spirit wrote scripture. Quite a difference.
I wish it was that simple. Example: my sister rejects many teachings of the CC e.g. the sacrifice of the Mass; I embrace them! We are both born-again believers and possess the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We cannot both be right. If all born-again believers, such as me and my sister, exercise the authority, given to us by Christ, to propose and define truths contained within the pages of sacred scripture, then how can we know who is right and who is wrong?
Okay…so how did the Holy Spirit accomplish this? Did a list come down or drop form Heaven?
OK, I took a little license with “fools.” In the Greek, it is “foolish ones.” That is close enough for me. The result is the same. They were ignorant of what had been written in Scripture and Jesus called them on the carpet for not knowing it. The import of the text is not that they needed explanation; the import of the text is that they were ignorant of what they should have known.
Being a fool…and being foolish are totally different connotations.
Huh? What a strange objection. What do the edges kind of fuzzy have to do with the core? Jesus is referring to the core. And the fact that He had to help the two men understand scripture is proof that scripture is not self-interpreting. A real authority such as Jesus is needed. And we have that authority today as well: the Church that Jesus founded and of which He is the head right now.
Gee, if that’s the case, why have scripture? If the Holy Spirit alone does the defining we do not need scripture. All we need is the Holy Spirit–it is not scripture we are getting our info from, it is the Holy Spirit. So, just ask the Holy Spirit to tell us what is what and to heck with scripture. How redundant can scripture be, anyway?
You are asking who …answer is the Catholic Church. Before that there were no infallible interpreters of the OT. The Jews religious leaders never recognized Christ, the Messiah. They were in error in understanding that the OT revealed Jesus to be the Messiah. The NT is hidden in the OT and OT is fulfilled in the NT. It is only with the coming of Jesus the Messiah that the OT can be infallibly interpreted. The OT has to be read in light of Jesus being the Messiah. As mentioned in the other posts, there was not even agreement to what books were inerrant and inspired.
I believe this is the key issue here. srtc10 believe that Roman Catholics are not Christians so therefore anything or most of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church are false.
It sure maks one wonder why someone with these beliefs come to CAFI believe this is the key issue here. srtc10 believe that Roman Catholics are not Christians so therefore anything or most of the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church are false.
I believe most Protestant to be so far from the truth, but I would never call them a non Christian lol.
I would suggest you actually say what you are thinking rather than kind of beating around the bush. It makes for a better understanding of where you are coming from. They asked you if Catholics are Christians. Simply say yes or no. Answering that “if someone believes in the gospel of Rome” is kind of skipping out on the question asked.
First of all, it’s proper to capitalize “Gospel.” Show some respect for the Word of Christ. Secondly, the Gospel that the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church uses is the same Gospel all Christians. Does it not consist of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Have you ever been to a Catholic Mass? Have you ever picked up a Catholic translation of the Bible? Have you seen for yourself what you’re talking about? In science there are what’s called primary sources and secondary sources. A secondary source, as you would imagine is information gathered second hand. Maybe you should get out there and do some first hand research yourself.
I hate to speak for him, but I believe what he means is that Gospel means the good news and he states that the “good news” Rome professes is not really that good I guess.
If this man gives ‘scriptures’ final authority and not ‘the Bible’, then he is acknowledging ‘extra-’ Biblical writings as being authoritative.
Thanks for the support, brother! Your support of my position here, and of our beloved Red Sox made my day. Are you by any chance a transplanted New Englander?Go Red Sox!!!
I will reply in a PM to keep the thread on topicThanks for the support, brother! Your support of my position here, and of our beloved Red Sox made my day. Are you by any chance a transplanted New Englander?
I also think now that the lowercase ‘g’ was intentional. I was typing another crushing reply, but as I went back, I noticed a change in his ‘status.’ Que cera cera
He was referring to the OT Septuagint. Not sure what the point of the question is?
Right. But how did the Holy Spirit do this? Did the OT fall down from the sky, leatherbound, in King James format?
