You are mistaken. You assumed what my position was (right or wrong is irrelevant) and imposed your statement completely outside of what I asked. I asked a simple question and your response went past my inquiry to what you wanted to talk about.Oh but it does. You are placing the scriptures above the church which is the fullness of Jesus. Now where does Scripture explicitly teach it is the final authority above the church?
I have yet to read it anywhere in the OT or NT.
Are you just trolling?Are you trying to say that “fullest extent” means it’s authority encompasses the previous 4000+ years?
This is a straw man argument. First of all, my response was not aimed at you. And second, you did not deal with my question as it was asked.And 4,000 + years is above an Eternal God? Show us where God explicitly teaches the Bible is all one needs and is the final authority? I’ll tell you where: NO WHERE!
Your question was answered.You are mistaken. You assumed what my position was (right or wrong is irrelevant) and imposed your statement completely outside of what I asked. I asked a simple question and your response went past my inquiry to what you wanted to talk about.
This was the answer to your question:Are you trying to say that “fullest extent” means it’s authority encompasses the previous 4000+ years?
No, I am not just trolling. And I’m not sure why you can’t answer the question. There is no doubt Christ’s authority is eternal but the Magisterium is not. I asked where in the CCC it showed that the Magisterium was given authority over the OT? I did not see it addressed in any of the sections you provided.Are you just trolling?
Christ’s authority is eternal. Before Abraham, He was. Nothing was ever made that was not made through Him. His authority goes beyond everything and anything. When He delegates authority, that authority carries His authority.
Are you still under the law?
That answer was directed to someone else. It doesn’t deal with my question as much as you would like it to.This was the answer to your question:
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This is an internet forum dude, not a person telephone call.That answer was directed to someone else. It doesn’t deal with my question as much as you would like it to.
You can only see what you want to see.No, I am not just trolling. And I’m not sure why you can’t answer the question. There is no doubt Christ’s authority is eternal but the Magisterium is not. I asked where in the CCC it showed that the Magisterium was given authority over the OT? I did not see it addressed in any of the sections you provided.
In Luke 24, Jesus chastised the two men on the road to Emmaus for not knowing what the OT (The Law and the Prophets) said. He called them “fools” and took them to task for not knowing what the OT had said. Jesus then proceeded to give them a Scripture lesson and He expounded unto them all the places in the OT where He was talked of.You can only see what you want to see.
What do you understand the Old Testament to be and what books does it contain?
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How exactly does the Old Testament holds authority?
The OT Scripture came before the Catholic Church was formed.I think your notions come from the idea that Scripture came before the Catholic Church was formed.
But it didn’t. Scripture was written, copied, translated, handed down, preserved and canonized by the Catholic Church (which proves the Church – not the Scriptures – came first). The Bible came from the Catholic Church. The Church was born on Pentecost Sunday, and not a word of New Testament Scripture was written until at least ten years later.
The OT specifically? It does not. Is the OT part of the bible? Yes. Pehaps you believe that the Jewish people are “authoritative over the previously existing OT”?Isaiah,
I don’t see anything in the CCC that you provided that addresses my question. Where does it state that the Magisterium is authoritative over the previously existing OT?
Couple questions I could not answer, as a former protestant:Not the “Bible” as you have stated, but I do give the Scriptures the sole and final authority in all matters of faith and morals to the Christian.
You have not answered my 2 questions.In Luke 24, Jesus chastised the two men on the road to Emmaus for not knowing what the OT (The Law and the Prophets) said. He called them “fools” and took them to task for not knowing what the OT had said. Jesus then proceeded to give them a Scripture lesson and He expounded unto them all the places in the OT where He was talked of.
Sorry,but I am not mistaken at all. Jesus is Eternal and existed long before anything was penned. No where does Jesus teach the Bible would be the final authority. Jesus founded His church and gave it authority…never makes reference to compiled book called the Bible has being the final authority. Sorry.You are mistaken. You assumed what my position was (right or wrong is irrelevant) and imposed your statement completely outside of what I asked. I asked a simple question and your response went past my inquiry to what you wanted to talk about.
Yeah and Jesus is the NT which we adhere to and not the Jewish laws,etc,etc. And God came before the Bible which you seem to dance around. Tell me what Bible did Abraham use as his final authority?The OT Scripture came before the Catholic Church was formed.
It is only a strawman argument when one no longer can rebuke their challenger with logical answers.This is a straw man argument. First of all, my response was not aimed at you. And second, you did not deal with my question as it was asked.
The question as been asked and answered, sir.No, I am not just trolling. And I’m not sure why you can’t answer the question.
Indeed. This is very Catholic of you to say. No one has been positing that the Magisterium is “eternal”.There is no doubt Christ’s authority is eternal but the Magisterium is not.
The Magisterium has no authority over the Word of God, but is rather, its servant.I asked where in the CCC it showed that the Magisterium was given authority over the OT? I did not see it addressed in any of the sections you provided.
okay…can you demonstrate how the Bible exercises its authority in all matters of faith and morals?Not the “Bible” as you have stated, but I do give the Scriptures the sole and final authority in all matters of faith and morals to the Christian.