Bible Christians?

[PiousTemplar]

I’m confused.

There was a Bible Christian on youtube that is well known. His name is kiwichristian2009.
He practically ‘trolls’ every single Catholic youtube video on the site, proselytizing how it is the Anti-Christ, etc etc. I find these very very offensive, So I replied. I can’t remember now exactly what I said, but it must of struck his nerve (No, I didn’t insult him deliberately, just trying to show him the truth). He goes on raging about how the Church killed Christian Martyrs over the centuries, was founded by Constantine, and how they change their belief all the time. Galileo being wrong/right for example.

I tried my best to find some Catholic websites about these events and the Churches point of view; as it is well known that if you want to know the truth, look at both sides of the argument to come to a decision.

He just responds ‘Why would I go to a heretical diabolical site for information?’
:banghead:
I just about raged about his comment.

I don’t understand these people. They, in all honesty, are a disease. I know it is wrong to say that, but that’s my honest opinion. They can’t be stopped as they blindly follow their own point of view, dismissing immediately any information that might contradict it.

What are you supposed to do with these people? Pray an Our Father, perhaps a Hail Mary?

 

[ZDHayden]

Some people refuse to even look at the other side, preferring to hide in their own opinions, regardless of their quality. I’ve run across kiwichristian2009 as well. I’m not certain if I’ve ever responded, but I tend to just ignore him.

In order to convert this world, we need more than prayer. We need fasting; we need to be the light of the world; we need to pray with all our mind and heart. We need to make our fasting prayerful, we need to make our service prayerful. In short, we need to become saints.

 

[JRKH]

I’m confused.
…Snip…
I don’t understand these people. They, in all honesty, are a disease. I know it is wrong to say that, but that’s my honest opinion. They can’t be stopped as they blindly follow their own point of view, dismissing immediately any information that might contradict it.

What are you supposed to do with these people? Pray an Our Father, perhaps a Hail Mary?

I don’t believe it is wrong at all to call these people a disease for that is what they are within the body of Christ.
The Good thing is that, for all the misinformation about the church floating around, I have found that the vast majority of Protestants would view this person in basically the same way as we do. They would distance themselves and say that this is a radical minority that does not represent the mainstream Protestant view.
And interestingly enough, any protestant who were to take this person to task would likely be attacked just as vehemently by this person. So don’t feel bad that he won’t listen to you because he won’t listen to anyone who doesn’t agree with him.

You’ve already done all you can for now with this person. You have shown a willingess to talk, to explain and engage in meaningful dialogue. He has refused. Time to shake the dust from your sandals…

Yes do say a prayer for this person and all like him. Then place the matter in the hands of the Holy Spirit for it is He, not we, who must convert this person’s heart away from his campaign of hate.

Peace
James

 

[TeenageConvert]

I’m confused.

There was a Bible Christian on youtube that is well known. His name is kiwichristian2009.
He practically ‘trolls’ every single Catholic youtube video on the site, proselytizing how it is the Anti-Christ, etc etc. I find these very very offensive, So I replied. I can’t remember now exactly what I said, but it must of struck his nerve (No, I didn’t insult him deliberately, just trying to show him the truth). He goes on raging about how the Church killed Christian Martyrs over the centuries, was founded by Constantine, and how they change their belief all the time. Galileo being wrong/right for example.

I tried my best to find some Catholic websites about these events and the Churches point of view; as it is well known that if you want to know the truth, look at both sides of the argument to come to a decision.

He just responds ‘Why would I go to a heretical diabolical site for information?’
:banghead:
I just about raged about his comment.

I don’t understand these people. They, in all honesty, are a disease. I know it is wrong to say that, but that’s my honest opinion. They can’t be stopped as they blindly follow their own point of view, dismissing immediately any information that might contradict it.

What are you supposed to do with these people? Pray an Our Father, perhaps a Hail Mary?

Well I deal wit these kind of people online pretty much daily(there’s alot of them in the religion& spirituality section of “Yahoo! Answers”) I’ve never realy gotten through to them, or seen someone else get through to them, but I don’t think we should give up, and I think they need more then an our father or hail mary. I normally pray rosaries for those poor decieved people . I think we should continue to pray/do penance for them, and continue to try t explain our faith without showing hatred.

 

[Cat_Herder]

He goes on raging about how the Church killed Christian Martyrs over the centuries, was founded by Constantine, and how they change their belief all the time. Galileo being wrong/right for example.

Point (1) is not sustainable as the Protestants started all of the European wars of religion.

Point (2) is not sustainable as Constantine did not change any beliefs of the Church. The canon of scripture was decided 60 years after he died, and the usual laundry list produced by Fundamentalists (saints, shrines, water baptism, Eucharist, etc.) originated from fulfilled types in Judaism (tzadikim, ohalim, mikvah, and olah respectively), not paganism.

Point (3) is not sustainable as the Church has never changed any dogmatic belief. Galileo and Copernicus taught the same heliocentric theory. Copernicus was never persecuted by the Church. But Galileo attempted to defend heliocentrism by playing down the Scriptures, by claiming in turn that God was not omnipotent. That IS heresy, and it would be heresy whether or not the opposing view is supported by science (say, communism instead of heliocentrism).

 

[PiousTemplar]

Wow, thanks all for your answers.
Recently I’ve been watching alot of Catholic Answers videos that like to prove these all wrong. Quite good, they are!

 

[JRKH]

Wow, thanks all for your answers.
Recently I’ve been watching alot of Catholic Answers videos that like to prove these all wrong. Quite good, they are!

You are welcome.
One of the truly beautiful things you will find on your journey into the Church is how well everything “hangs together”. The Bible makes more sense and there aren’t really any difficult passages,the various devotions all make sense when seen within the proper contexts, and the “anti-catholic” propaganda just melts in the light of Truth and reason.

Peace
James

 

[steveb1]

Everyone, Catholic, Protestant, or whatever, needs to be wary every time they hear the term “Bible Christian” or “Bible church”. The title usually refers to anti-Catholic, anti-science fundamentalist inerrantists. I’ve always marveled at their arrogance in calling themselves “Bible” churches - as if they alone are true to the Bible, as if their myopic literalism is the one true way of seeing scripture, as if they “own” the Bible, as if the NT church was composed of “Bible-believing” Protestant fundamentalists, and as if Tradition is an invalid concept of “compromising, paganistic” Catholicism. Most “Bible churches” are so ignorant of the Bible and of critical biblical scholarship that they are a priori invalidated as scriptural interpreters.

The OP’s example of the anti-Catholic “Bible Christian” who refuses to consult authentic Catholic sources before he rants against the Church really sums up the vitriolic, deliberate, willful ignorance of the true religious bigot.

 

[JRKH]

Everyone, Catholic, Protestant, or whatever, needs to be wary every time they hear the term “Bible Christian” or “Bible church”. The title usually refers to anti-Catholic, anti-science fundamentalist inerrantists. I’ve always marveled at their arrogance in calling themselves “Bible” churches - as if they alone are true to the Bible, as if their myopic literalism is the one true way of seeing scripture, as if they “own” the Bible, as if the NT church was composed of “Bible-believing” Protestant fundamentalists, and as if Tradition is an invalid concept of “compromising, paganistic” Catholicism. Most “Bible churches” are so ignorant of the Bible and of critical biblical scholarship that they are a priori invalidated as scriptural interpreters.

The OP’s example of the anti-Catholic “Bible Christian” who refuses to consult authentic Catholic sources before he rants against the Church really sums up the vitriolic, deliberate, willful ignorance of the true religious bigot.

Not really related directly to the above, but your post reminded me of the sign I saw when driving into a town here in Ohil. It was a small sign for a church and said:

Hillsboro
Church of Christ
(Christian)

I about had a wreck for laughing so hard. Imagine an entity called Church of Christ that felt the need to identify itself as “Christian”
Just goes to show how really silly the whole thing has gotten.

Peace
james

 

[PiousTemplar]

Hehehe,

I got emails saying he replied.

Looked at them for about 10 seconds. I picked up ‘Bible is Truth, not Catholic webpages’ before closing. I sort of chuckled.

 

[styrgwillidar]

Great book by Keating, “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”. It’s a good place to see common fundamentalist criticisms and the catholic response. I also recommend getting ‘Faith of the Early Fathers’. At least the first volume (it’s a three volume set) It isn’t scripture but it shows what the early christians believed and how they practiced. Which is ithe same as what we Catholics do today.

I’m a ‘Bible’ Christian. I’m Catholic and trust the authority Christ bestowed on His Church to infallibly declare what constitutes scripture. I accept the ‘Bible’ because I accept the authority of the Catholic Church to have decided what to include in it.

Why does this individual cite a Catholic document without accepting the Catholic Church’s authority? Does he accept the validity of Martin Luther getting it right by rejecting books and modifying passages? Was Luther infallible? If so, than the protestant bible isn’t correct because Luther actually wanted to modify it further. He compromised with his critics. If Luther was fallible, then how do we know he dropped the right books and made the right modifications?

The Bible no where declare itself the sole authority, so, ‘Bible’ Christians fail right there. In fact, in one of Paul’s letters he urges they church members follow the traditions and teachings they handed by word of mouth and letter. Acknowledging that not everything was being taught was written down.

 

[PiousTemplar]

Great book by Keating, “Catholicism and Fundamentalism”. It’s a good place to see common fundamentalist criticisms and the catholic response. I also recommend getting ‘Faith of the Early Fathers’. At least the first volume (it’s a three volume set) It isn’t scripture but it shows what the early christians believed and how they practiced. Which is ithe same as what we Catholics do today.

I’m a ‘Bible’ Christian. I’m Catholic and trust the authority Christ bestowed on His Church to infallibly declare what constitutes scripture. I accept the ‘Bible’ because I accept the authority of the Catholic Church to have decided what to include in it.

Why does this individual cite a Catholic document without accepting the Catholic Church’s authority? Does he accept the validity of Martin Luther getting it right by rejecting books and modifying passages? Was Luther infallible? If so, than the protestant bible isn’t correct because Luther actually wanted to modify it further. He compromised with his critics. If Luther was fallible, then how do we know he dropped the right books and made the right modifications?

The Bible no where declare itself the sole authority, so, ‘Bible’ Christians fail right there. In fact, in one of Paul’s letters he urges they church members follow the traditions and teachings they handed by word of mouth and letter. Acknowledging that not everything was being taught was written down.

Yes, I would love to read those books.

Thing is, my parents have a problem with buying books online, and they would probably be wary of buying me a Catholic book.

(They are both secular and protestant)