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This thread is to discuss Bible errors (not to sling mud at people and religions you don’t like)
1 Sam. 16:
14 ¶ But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit afrom God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1 Sam. 19:
9 And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Kgs. 22:
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chr. 18:
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

Luke 11: 17
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

That God is in the business of sending good spirits or angels etc I assume is agreed upon.
 
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6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

God doing evil???

I’m not claiming that these errors ruin the overall message of the Bible, but they do show that there are errors in the text.
 
I’m not sure what the problem with those passages is or what your point is.

Is this a continuation on the subject of whether the LDS think the Bible is corrupt and inferior to the book of Mormon? If that is the topic starting on a new thread, here is the first quote I think that should be made from the official LDS webpage: The position of the Church regarding the Bible is that it contains the word of God as far as it is translated correctly (A of F 8). Joseph Smith taught that “many important points touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” He also said that the Bible was correct as “it came from the pen of the original writers,” but that “ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors.” (HC 1: 245; 6: 57.) The Church reveres and respects the Bible, but recognizes that it is not a complete nor entirely accurate record, and affirms also that the Lord has given additional revelation through his prophets in the last days that sustains, supports, and verifies the biblical account of God’s dealings with mankind.
scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/b/55
 
Thanks for finding the quote I was not sure where it was at, but I like it.

You don’t see a problem with God sending evil spirits? Or doing evil?

God is the the “good guy”, but the Bible reports him doing “bad things” yet Christ tells us that such won’t happen.
 
teancum79 said:
Thanks for finding the quote I was not sure where it was at, but I like it.

You don’t see a problem with God sending evil spirits? Or doing evil?

God is the the “good guy”, but the Bible reports him doing “bad things” yet Christ tells us that such won’t happen.
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From looking this up in commentaries the “evil spirit” can either mean God’s protection from Satan was taken away permitting evil to come upon Saul, or it could mean that Saul was stricken with a mental disease.

The mental disorder interpretation makes sense in the context which you quoted that playing the harp will sooth Saul.

What is your interpretation of those passages? I would hope you are not indicating that God caused evil or led someone into sin.
 
No, but that is what the Bible text says.

My point being that there are errors in what is written vs what it should say.

Things like that are a major reason why the LDS have a little provision on the Bible being the word of God.
 
teancum79 said:
No, but that is what the Bible text says.

My point being that there are errors in what is written vs what it should say.

Things like that are a major reason why the LDS have a little provision on the Bible being the word of God.
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What it should say? Are you saying those passages such as Saul’s “evil spirit” are errors/corruptions in the Bible?

The Bible loses lots of credibility if you say it is corrupt. You cant attack the Bible on one hand and turn to it as a source of inspiration on the other.
 
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What it should say? Are you saying those passages such as Saul’s “evil spirit” are errors/corruptions in the Bible?

The Bible loses lots of credibility if you say it is corrupt. You cant attack the Bible on one hand and turn to it as a source of inspiration on the other.
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depending on how you define attack I can and do often. Amos clearly says that the Lord does evil. Its wrong and it should read more like the Lord knows about evil knows it is being done or even if it said that the devil did it, but it says the Lord did it.

That is a clear error. On the other hand the Bible contains many of the words of Christ and Gods dealings with the house of Israel in the old world. Those are teachigns that I would never dismiss.
 
teancum79 said:
This thread is to discuss Bible errors (not to sling mud at people and religions you don’t like)
1 Sam. 16:
14 ¶ But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit afrom God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1 Sam. 19:
9 And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

1 Kgs. 22:
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chr. 18:
22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

Luke 11: 17
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

That God is in the business of sending good spirits or angels etc I assume is agreed upon.
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I think you cannot blame God for doing evil or telling lies on the basis of a few verses in the Bible that narrate and construe things from a purely human perspective. Since the authors of the Bible believed and taught that GOD was the ultimate authority and had full control of everything that occurred, they naturally reached the conclusion that evil things were caused by Him. However, God only allowed evil to happen, but did not want it to happen. Allowing and wishing are apparently two distinct notions.
 
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In the real world, a boss who allows evil to happen within his company is responsible for that evil.
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I don’t think God can be compared with a CEO, although most CEOs I’ve known like to compare themselves with God. 😃
 
AgnosTheist said:
In the real world, a boss who allows evil to happen within his company is responsible for that evil.
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It depends on the type of the evil and its consequences as well as the degree of the boss’ involvement.

Above all, God is exempt from the responsibility of allowing the occurrence of evil, for He punishes evil acts.
 
White often, the writers of the Bible described the way things looked to them.
 
.Remember if you will, a community that consists of one language and one culture, building a tall building in order to reach Heaven. What happened there? What was the evil?

Throughout the OT the evil portrayed is going against God’s Will. Here, it is the same. It is the same old sin, enacted in a different way, the created trying to become the Creator. Humans remove themselves from God in this way. In this case, they removed themselves from the language of God.

Do you believe this was an evil act of God?

In your first example, you have Saul who sinned, which once again it is a relating of a person who has removed themselves from God. The description given is that the spirit of the Lord had left Saul. Yet, tell me, how do you reconcile that with scripture passages that say the Lord is always with us, even in our times of sorrow and sin?

Do you reconcile it by throwing the passage out as error? Or, do you look at in the light of the scriptures as a whole? What has happened before, in these circumstances? How did Saul get to this point?

People separate themselves from God, but we are self-centered, and we claim that God has left us. The Lord has left us. That is our sorrow. That is what we say. The truth is, God is there, has never left us, we tend to leave Him, a lot.

Saul turning away from the Lord caused him great sorrow and anguish, which is described in that passage as being tormented by an evil spirit. The word “evil”, in the context of Jewish writings, is equated to sin. Saul was feeling the sting of his own sin. And it caused him to act differently.

The error is not the Bible, the error is you, seeking ways to criticize, rather than understand.
 
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