Bible help......Which one?

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I have a three copies of the new american bible, given to me for free, a copy of the kjv, from parents, a living word bible, and a message new testament.

So you say what the hecks the problem?

Well my problem is that none of these bibles speak to me. I just met with an apologist friend of mine and he stated that when he opened his bible (nkjv orthodox study bible)that he has been using for the past couple of decades it was a new world. I have tried his and I like it but it doesn’t get me pumped to read.

Can’t say I like the kjv the language is too fuddled for my taste.
the new american doesn’t seem to speak directly to my heart.
the living word translation should be called “funky news for modern man”
and finally the message bible seems like an over dubbed cd that has been recorded from a tape that was recorded from an lp. It is in fact too modern for my taste.

Now I have had my hands on a 66 Jerusalem and loved it. But the problem is that one is so hard to come by, and when you find one it is expensive.

Now I know a bible should be a bible and lets not condemn me for having a bunch of bibles and not being happy with any of them. I will read them if I need to, so no worries there.

So my questions are:

Which one do you read?
Why?
Has it always been your favorite?

And please folks, this is just a bit of fun mind you so don’t get to crazy here.😃
 
I personaly like the Douay Rheims version. Its the best translation in English from the Latin.
 
After reading just about every version I must agree with the previous post .The Douay is complete. Complete-ness should speak to you. The Catholic bible contains the Deuterocanon which was removed from protestant bibles (to avoid purgatory-for one) and is the complete revelation of God as well as historic context.
 
I am like you. I have more translations of the Bible than are useful. I also have and use the Douay Rheims translation, but I have found the Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition to be my personal favorite. I suggest that you check it out.
 
Church_Militant said:
I have found the Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition to be my personal favorite. I suggest that you check it out.
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👍 I’m with Militant – the RSV-2CE is a great Bible!

Scott Hahn and Ignatius Press are working on a complete study Bible based around the RSV; currently, the NT exists as a single volume, and work continues on the OT. If you’re not willing to wait until that project is done, the single-volume NT is a great resource!
 
LittleHannah said:
I like the Douay Rheims version. Its the best translation in English from the Latin.
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I’ve read that the current DR that you are able to buy at your Catholic store isn’t actually the DR, but a revision of the DR put out by a Bishop Shalloner. What’s your opinion?

And to the OP, I read and love the Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition that is put out by Ignatius Press. My most favorite bible of all time.
 
I read the Jerusalem Bible to my kids, and the RSV 2CE for myself.

I find the Jerusalem easy to read aloud.

The DR is not a very accurate translation - it’s a great translation of the vulgate, but.

NAB doesn’t do it for me either.
 
Douey Rheims. Authentically Catholic, Traditional, Orthodox, Faithful, Beautiful and contrary to what someone said, Accurate. RSV2CE is always good to have as a back up in case you get hung up on some of the “old speak” in the old testament (“phase” means passover lamb, etc) but there honestly isn’t much of that.
 
Thanks all. We can keep going. So far it looks like the most liked are Jerusalem 66, rsv2ce, and Douay-Rheims.

I know the rsv2ce is widely available but are the other ones attainable easily? I have looked and can only usually find newer versions or translations or editions
 
plenty of douey versions online on amazon, catholic company, etc, also usually at your average Catholic book store.
 
James924 said:
plenty of douey versions online on amazon, catholic company, etc, also usually at your average Catholic book store.
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so any version is good?

I understand that the Jerusalem is revised beyond being the same it was in 66, so I am assuming this hasn’t happened to the douay?
 
SonSearcher said:
so any version is good?

I understand that the Jerusalem is revised beyond being the same it was in 66, so I am assuming this hasn’t happened to the douay?
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i think the last time it was tweaked was by bishop challoner, 1899 maybe? I think he changed some of the"old speak" stuff. Can’t say I remember for sure though.
 
I have the NIV study Bible, the Nab and the KJV. I am starting Bible study so I am going to use a plain Bible , not a study Bible and buy a Concordance, and will do it the hard way, research myself, so I don’t get anyone elses opinion on what it means. The are 12 ways to study the Bible, and to get the full meaning one needs to do the work so I’m told.
I read the Bible daily and have for many years and I love it.
 
SonSearcher said:
Which one do you read? Why? Has it always been your favorite?
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The 1961-1970 New English Bible is far and away my favorite for extended reading, such as if I want to read all of Romans in a single sitting. It flows beautifully and demonstrates mastery of the English language, and although some of its renderings and editorial interventions in the textual tradition are quirky, some of its renderings are just brilliant. But since I am fairly knowledgeable about Biblical matters, the renderings that seem to fall short of an orthodox Christian sense really don’t bother me, and I understand why the translators and editors made the decisions they did.

Example:
  • Philippians 4:10-14: It is a great joy to me, in the Lord, that after so long your care for me has now blossomed afresh. You did care about me before for that matter; it was opportunity that you lacked. Not that I am alluding to want, for I have learned to find resources in myself whatever my circumstances. I know what it is to be brought low, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have been very thoroughly initiated into the human lot with all its ups and downs, fullness and hunger, plenty and want. I have strength for anything through him who gives me power. But it was kind of you to share the burden of my troubles.
This is just gorgeous. That one phrase, “I have learned to find resources in myself”, is hard to translate; the Greek basically says “I have learned to be autonomous” or “I have learned to be self-sufficient”, which in English comes across as not needing anyone or anything, which is not what Paul means. Some English translations render it along the lines of “I have learned to be content”, which in English unfortunately comes across as “I gave up and just settled for what I have”.
 
Rainaldo said:
The 1961-1970 New English Bible is far and away my favorite for extended reading, such as if I want to read all of Romans in a single sitting. It flows beautifully and demonstrates mastery of the English language, and although some of its renderings and editorial interventions in the textual tradition are quirky, some of its renderings are just brilliant. But since I am fairly knowledgeable about Biblical matters, the renderings that seem to fall short of an orthodox Christian sense really don’t bother me, and I understand why the translators and editors made the decisions they did.

Example:
  • Philippians 4:10-14: It is a great joy to me, in the Lord, that after so long your care for me has now blossomed afresh. You did care about me before for that matter; it was opportunity that you lacked. Not that I am alluding to want, for I have learned to find resources in myself whatever my circumstances. I know what it is to be brought low, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have been very thoroughly initiated into the human lot with all its ups and downs, fullness and hunger, plenty and want. I have strength for anything through him who gives me power. But it was kind of you to share the burden of my troubles.
This is just gorgeous. That one phrase, “I have learned to find resources in myself”, is hard to translate; the Greek basically says “I have learned to be autonomous” or “I have learned to be self-sufficient”, which in English comes across as not needing anyone or anything, which is not what Paul means. Some English translations render it along the lines of “I have learned to be content”, which in English unfortunately comes across as “I gave up and just settled for what I have”.
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Thanks for sharing. great insight. I am not very knowledgeable though would it be a problem for me?
 
SonSearcher said:
Hey y’all
Now I have had my hands on a 66 Jerusalem and loved it. But the problem is that one is so hard to come by, and when you find one it is expensive.
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Well, it’s only the reader’s edition, but you can buy a new copy of the Jerusalem Bible published by Doubleday (the one from 1966, not the New Jerusalem Bible) here if you are interested
 
dje101 said:
I’ve read that the current DR that you are able to buy at your Catholic store isn’t actually the DR, but a revision of the DR put out by a Bishop Shalloner. What’s your opinion?
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Correct, the original 1582-1609 DR was a clunky literal translation of the Latin Vulgate but the study notes were awesome, having been prepared by 16th-century Jesuits. There is a three-volume facsimile version of it out there but it’s hard to find.

Because the translation was accurate to the point of being ugly (LOL), Bishop Richard Challoner, who was apostolic vicar of London at the time (mid 1700s), touched it up to make it more readable. Challoner grew up Protestant with the King James Version and in his revisions of the DR he largely brought the wording of the DR into conformity with the KJV except where it compromised the Catholic sense of a passage or was based on a textual tradition at variance with Jerome’s version.

Example: Matthew 6:9-13
  • 1582 DR: “Our father which art in heaven, **sanctified **be thy name. Let thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, in earth also. Give us today our **supersubstantial **bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.”
  • 1611 KJV: “Our Father which art in heaven, **Hallowed **be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”
  • 1749-1752 DRC: “Our Father who art in heaven, **hallowed **be thy name. **Thy kingdom **come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our **supersubstantial **bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.”
 
SonSearcher said:
Thanks for sharing. great insight. I am not very knowledgeable though would it be a problem for me?
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Use your Catholic common sense. If something doesn’t sound right, look it up. Psalm 22:16 reads “They have hacked off my hands and my feet”, which obscures the prophetic Catholic sense given by the Septuagint by replacing it with an alternate text coming from the Hebrew version. Also in Genesis 1, the Holy Spirit is referred to as “a mighty wind from God”, which is technically possible given the Hebrew, but that’s not how Catholics have always understood it. But quirks like these are comparatively rare.
 
Rainaldo said:
Use your Catholic common sense. If something doesn’t sound right, look it up. Psalm 22:16 reads “They have hacked off my hands and my feet”, which obscures the prophetic Catholic sense given by the Septuagint by replacing it with an alternate text coming from the Hebrew version. Also in Genesis 1, the Holy Spirit is referred to as “a mighty wind from God”, which is technically possible given the Hebrew, but that’s not how Catholics have always understood it. But quirks like these are comparatively rare.
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I like that. “Catholic common sense.”

Thanks for the prompt answer
 
I have a little Good News Bible, which was a good friend to me through childhood and still useful, but it doesn’t have the Deuterocanon. I think you can get complete Good News Bibles, but they don’t generally have the books in their proper places. It gave me the confidence to read the Bible by myself, because it used simple accessible language.

I have a lovely little Bible that would probably madden purists, because it specifically matches the Lectionary in this country and is thus a mishmash. It’s the Catholic Truth Society’s “The Catholic Bible”, and it is mostly the Jerusalem Bible with the Lectionary tweaks (Yahweh->Lord), except the Psalms are the Grail Psalms. It’s fabulous, really nicely formatted and poetic to read. It also has the advantage of being the version I am familiar with from Mass, so I can easily find the bits I’m looking for. It really makes me notice the poetry in the Bible, as well as when one section is quoting another.

And the introductions to the books point out how they are used liturgically, and it has tables in the back to show the cycles of readings in Mass and the Divine Office. It’s a great one-stop-shop, Catholicly speaking. It was also pretty cheap, although not as cheap as the KJV and NIV Bibles you can get that I think must be subsidised by someone. It’s possible that it’s only printed in this country, but it would still be presumably possible to order one.

But it isn’t what everyone’s looking for. You might prefer scholarship.
 
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