Bible, Mormonism, Great Apostacy

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This may have been addressed in an other thread but the idea of it never hit me until this morning.

Why would the LDS church accept the Bible, which from their view would be a product of the Great Apostacy, coming from the Catholic Tradition, in the first place? Since, by their own doctrines, no one had authority after the death of the last apostle.

I dont remember that issue even been addressed or thought about when I was LDS.

Just curious what the LDS Church’s stand on this? Anyone know?

Or is the LDS church sincerely grateful to the Catholic church for giving the world the Bible?

It’s just one of those cog. dis. things for me at the moment.

TIA.
 
This may have been addressed in an other thread but the idea of it never hit me until this morning.

Why would the LDS church accept the Bible, which from their view would be a product of the Great Apostacy, coming from the Catholic Tradition, in the first place? Since, by their own doctrines, no one had authority after the death of the last apostle.

I dont remember that issue even been addressed or thought about when I was LDS.

Just curious what the LDS Church’s stand on this? Anyone know?

Or is the LDS church sincerely grateful to the Catholic church for giving the world the Bible?

It’s just one of those cog. dis. things for me at the moment.

TIA.
I am very interested in this as well… And thanks for bringing up cognitive dissonance… its been a while since I thought of it, despite being surrounded by and at times full of them.

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This may have been addressed in an other thread but the idea of it never hit me until this morning.

Why would the LDS church accept the Bible, which from their view would be a product of the Great Apostacy, coming from the Catholic Tradition, in the first place? Since, by their own doctrines, no one had authority after the death of the last apostle.

I dont remember that issue even been addressed or thought about when I was LDS.

Just curious what the LDS Church’s stand on this? Anyone know?

Or is the LDS church sincerely grateful to the Catholic church for giving the world the Bible?

It’s just one of those cog. dis. things for me at the moment.

TIA.
To be fair, Mormons do not accept the Scriptures handed down to us by the Church. Joseph Smith produced his own “translation” of the King James Version which is significantly different from the Bibles found outside of Mormonism. Their view of our scripture is that it is “correct in so far as it is correctly translated.” Though I think the KJV is the “official” version, the KJV Bibles published by the CoJCoLDS centered in Salt Lake City contains many of Joseph Smith’s changes in footnotes or appendixes. I believe the RLDS use the JST as their official Bible text. If you would like to check out the Joseph Smith Translation for free and without ordering the free copy from the CoJCoLDS (which is typically delivered by a pair of friendly young men) the SWORD Project bible study software has it available for download.
crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Cults

peace
 
To be fair, Mormons do not accept the Scriptures handed down to us by the Church. Joseph Smith produced his own “translation” of the King James Version which is significantly different from the Bibles found outside of Mormonism. Their view of our scripture is that it is “correct in so far as it is correctly translated.” Though I think the KJV is the “official” version, the KJV Bibles published by the CoJCoLDS centered in Salt Lake City contains many of Joseph Smith’s changes in footnotes or appendixes. I believe the RLDS use the JST as their official Bible text. If you would like to check out the Joseph Smith Translation for free and without ordering the free copy from the CoJCoLDS (which is typically delivered by a pair of friendly young men) the SWORD Project bible study software has it available for download.
crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Cults

peace
I never found the JS translation to be all that significantly different when I was LDS…more of just an occasional change…

They still use the basic Bible that was given to the world by the Catholic Church which, according to LDS doctrine, was deep into apostacy…cant get away from that reality
 
This may have been addressed in an other thread but the idea of it never hit me until this morning.

Why would the LDS church accept the Bible, which from their view would be a product of the Great Apostacy, coming from the Catholic Tradition, in the first place? Since, by their own doctrines, no one had authority after the death of the last apostle.

I dont remember that issue even been addressed or thought about when I was LDS.

Just curious what the LDS Church’s stand on this? Anyone know?

Or is the LDS church sincerely grateful to the Catholic church for giving the world the Bible?

It’s just one of those cog. dis. things for me at the moment.

TIA.
Is it possible that they need the Bible to support their Book of Mormon and to give the appearance of LDS being a Christian denomination?
 
I never found the JS translation to be all that significantly different when I was LDS…more of just an occasional change…

They still use the basic Bible that was given to the world by the Catholic Church which, according to LDS doctrine, was deep into apostacy…cant get away from that reality
Some of these changes are very significant, especially in the way they can be used to alter some of the most important of Christian doctrines. One example follows, a verse which has also been altered by the Jehovah’s Witnesses in a similar manner.
John 1:1 NAB: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 KJV: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 JST: In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.
John 1:1 NWT: In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
IMHO, these changes, if accepted, fundamentally alter the traditional Christian view of the trinity and the nature of God, upheld by councils from the earliest days of the Church.
 
This may have been addressed in an other thread but the idea of it never hit me until this morning.

Why would the LDS church accept the Bible, which from their view would be a product of the Great Apostacy, coming from the Catholic Tradition, in the first place? Since, by their own doctrines, no one had authority after the death of the last apostle.

I dont remember that issue even been addressed or thought about when I was LDS.

Just curious what the LDS Church’s stand on this? Anyone know?

Or is the LDS church sincerely grateful to the Catholic church for giving the world the Bible?

It’s just one of those cog. dis. things for me at the moment.

TIA.
Marie5890,
I hope I can give you some meaningful illustrations.

William Shakespeare is credited with having written some incredibly gifted dramatic works of great literature, even though history does not have very good evidence that he was in fact the writer of the plays and sonnets that are associated with his name. Be that as it may, does history applaud the finders and preservers of the plays, or the “writer” of the plays and sonnets? The big deal is made of the actual literature itself–not the finders or preservers, though they had an important role and made an important contribution to the world of literature through their careful interest.

Such is the case also with many wonderful symphonic works by various gifted musicians and composers.

The Jews wrote and preserved the Old Testament writings, such that Jesus had them and studied them and quoted from them. This was before the ECF were around.

Jews wrote the passages that are quoted in the New Testament. These were found, preserved, and translated by people who may or may not have been Jews by birth or tradition, but the words had been originally written by Jews. Who should get the primary “accolades” for the words of the writings of the New Testament? Christ Himself, of course, first and foremost, then John and Luke and Matthew and Mark and Paul and Peter, then the Jews who preserved the writings, then (and still important) those who continued to preserve and translate the writings, as long as they did so with as much accuracy as they could bring to their work.

The Bible is not a “product of the great apostasy”–it is a product of the inspiration of heaven working through inspired men and through the Holy Spirit, Moses, Christ, and the apostles first and foremost. The men who preserved the writings were doing probably their earnest best to preserve what they found, but as translating occurred they would bring their own background to trying to understand the phrases and underlying doctrines unless they had been there among the listeners. Such a process in doing a translation is inevitable.

But for anyone to think that God, who ultimately gave the world the Bible, would not want Mormons to have this important primary work which testifies of Him and of His Beloved Only Begotten Son, and that He would not want them to study it with deep joy and gratitude for His word including all of its prophecies and teachings, then they are profoundly mistaken themselves.
 
But it does seem to me strange that Mormons (and modern day Protestants too) don’t acknowledge the gift to them of the Scriptures–they don’t acknowledge that without the Catholic Church we would not have the Bible as is known to us today. This seems especially true because (as LDS Institute teacher, Grant Palmer wrote) the village in upstate New York’s library records show that their copy of the King James Version of the Bible was repeatedly borrowed by Joseph Smith and his friend so that seems to be the reason great parts of the KJV appear to have been “lifted” and put into the BOM. But somehow, it does seem wrong to claim that the Catholic Church apostatized (and some early LDS leaders have called her “the Church of the devil”) while accepting the Scriptures that came through that church–the Catholic Church.
 
But for anyone to think that God, who ultimately gave the world the Bible, would not want Mormons to have this important primary work which testifies of Him and of His Beloved Only Begotten Son,
This is a good example of how the LDS hide their doctrine with words that sound Catholic / Christian. You have to look past Parker to see the underlying force here. Parker is pretty much taking from our own Creed here. But the meaning is completey different in Parkers world. Parker you should not throw out words like this.in the context that you have placed it. Your attempting deception here, trying to appear Christian. .Its not honest for you to use this in such context as Mormons do not beleive that Jesus is God the Fathers only Begotten son. It is Satan who is the great deciever, he does this to all of us…its his spin. No offense Parker I myself can look at you with love, but I can also look beyond you and see the other directly in my sight. Thanks be to God alone

In Christ Jesus
Rich
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The Primary work of the Bible is to teach us that were created because God thought of us, that God the Father and Son our One in being, throughout all of eternity. That we were created good by God through Christ. That Jesus is the light, the life of the world. That through Him we have are existence. That we have been given the freedom to choose ourselves or God.
If we choose ourselves we have no life in us. If we choose Jesus we have life through Him.

If you would like to know God…

If you would like to know God, Look at the Cross. If you would like to love God, look at the Cross. If you want to serve God, look at the Cross.


***If you hope for eternal Happiness, look at the Cross. If you wonder how much your faith demands of you, in humility, poverty, charity, meekness and every virtue, look at the Cross. If you wonder how far your own unselfishness should go to bring others to Christ, look at the Cross. If you want to understand the need for self-denial, look at the Cross. If you wish to live well, look at the Cross. If you wish to die well, look at the Cross. ***

But…If you want to know what you are worth in the eyes of God, you have to look towards the Crucifix!

***Found at ***www.chooseyourcross.com
 
JSmith needed the King James version of the Bible in order to plagerize the distinctive form of english in that version so that his forgery…the Book of Mormon would seem authentic to the unsophisticated followers of JS…and BYoung. Whichever one of these men “declared” the CC to be apostate…I now declare the LDS to be an unauthentic fallacy. Now I have spoken with as much authority as they had…but with a little bit more charity.
 
Remember that the LDS accept the Bible as the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, which seems to acknowledge that in the transmission of the original texts, things may have been added, deleted, etc.

I’m not sure where the idea that the LDS aren’t grateful for those that copied and circulated the Bible (whether they think they are Catholics, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, the “undivided church”, etc that did so, and not just one group) so that we have it today, comes from.
 
So, somehow, the Bible made it thru the Great Apostacy even with translation problems etc., but the authority didnt?

God could protect the Bible, but not His authority? 🤷
He withdrew His authority, but not His Word? 🤷
 
Remember that the LDS accept the Bible as the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, which seems to acknowledge that in the transmission of the original texts, things may have been added, deleted, etc.

I’m not sure where the idea that the LDS aren’t grateful for those that copied and circulated the Bible (whether they think they are Catholics, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, the “undivided church”, etc that did so, and not just one group) so that we have it today, comes from.
Brother…I don’t know what part of LDS attracts you so I cannot address this and I am not skilled enough to be effective if I did know. Having said this I am hoping (and praying) that you do some homework on your own, if you haven’t already, because there is a HUGE amount of items and facts to consider before you make a jump like joining LDS. There are some very serious theological consequences as well as numerous social issues to consider.
Because a salesman is a very nice person, does not add value to what he is SELLING.🤷
 
So, somehow, the Bible made it thru the Great Apostacy even with translation problems etc., but the authority didnt?

God could protect the Bible, but not His authority? 🤷
He withdrew His authority, but not His Word? 🤷
So is it a matter of justifying themselves at this point?
 
So, somehow, the Bible made it thru the Great Apostacy even with translation problems etc., but the authority didnt?

God could protect the Bible, but not His authority? 🤷
He withdrew His authority, but not His Word? 🤷
Mormons believe that various truths were preserved despite the supposed Great Apostasy. It would not be a surprise that they believe that the Bible was generally preserved, with various issues from transmission and translation (whether intentional or not). In the view of Mormonism, the priesthood being removed does not lead to the conclusion that the Bible could have been copied, translated, and circulated. In fact, it could be because of this supposed loss of priesthood that the original manuscripts (obviously extrapolating from the most ancient manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew we have) were changed for various reasons (again, some intentional others unintentional).
 
Mormons believe that various truths were preserved despite the supposed Great Apostasy. It would not be a surprise that they believe that the Bible was generally preserved, with various issues from transmission and translation (whether intentional or not). In the view of Mormonism, the priesthood being removed does not lead to the conclusion that the Bible could have been copied, translated, and circulated. In fact, it could be because of this supposed loss of priesthood that the original manuscripts (obviously extrapolating from the most ancient manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew we have) were changed for various reasons (again, some intentional others unintentional).
Preserved by the early ancient church which they believe was in a great apostasy.

This makes sense???
 
Preserved by the early ancient church which they believe was in a great apostasy.

This makes sense???
So it makes more sense to you that a Great Apostasy would mean that the early Church lost everything? What is your definition (or understanding of the Mormon definition) of “Great Apostasy”?

The Mormon view of the Great Apostasy clearly shows a belief that while the priesthood was lost, various truths were preserved, which of course did not preclude the general transmission of the Bible. I would venture to say that it is because of their belief in a Great Apostasy that leads to the qualification “as far as it is translated correctly” in reference to the Bible.

I need to get ready for work, I’ll check back tonight.
 
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