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And what better place to ask it?

I currently use an NAB and am thinking of getting a DR with Haydock commentary.

I really like the “plain language” in the NAB, but I just read about the DR with Haydock commentary and this seems like a logical “next step” for me. I asked my DW if I could choose my own father’s day present and she said “Of course”.

The one I want is a little pricey ($125), so I wanted some opinions from all of you. I am absolutely obsessed with apologetics and want to get a little deeper.

Any and all comments are welcome, and thanks!

Ed
 
If you have not seen it yet, a transcription of the Haydock commentary is available for online viewing and for download as a .rtf document at this website.
 
You’ve hit on one of the “springiest” subjects that you see in these forums. Half of everybody is looking for a “good” Bible and the other half has varying opinions about it.

Back in about 1993, the Pontifical Biblical Institute issued a paper called “Interpretation of the Bible in the Church.” It had a discussion of various types of “criticism” or analysis of scripture. The paper listed what each type of criticism may be able to offer, and what it’s limitations were. The Church does not endorse any single point of view for analyzing scripture.

The paper ended up saying that a interested Catholic should study the Bible alongside a generally accepted commentary, to help explain the text.

I think that the upcoming Ignatius Study Bible, when it is completed, should be compliant both the the Catechism and with the advice of the Pontifical Biblical Institute.

You might check out www.salvationhistory.com for their recommendations, and an update on the progress of the Ignatius Study Bible.

One of the principal writers is Dr. Scott Hahn. His feeling is that you can find commentaries that help you with either the Old Testament or the New Testament, but it’s hard to find one that bridges them both. I think he’s on to something. The Catechism says that there are four “senses” of scripture: literal, allegorical, moral, and anagogical. You WOULD want to get a study bible that assists you with all those “senses” of the Biblical text.

The Old Testament, in the first instance, is the main teaching of an entirely different religion, Judaism. The New Testament is not just the New Testament, but it is a bridge from the Old Testament. You may want, as I do, a Bible/commentary, like the upcoming Ignatius Bible, which is supposed to explain the whole thing, as much as it can, in one volume.

The PBI paper that I referred to at the start, says that it may be valuable to look at Jewish commentaries, for what they can provide. That’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been reading the commentaries of the books of the Torah from the Jewish Publication Society. They’re not Christian, and they’re a bit anti-Christian in parts. But, they do provide a deep level of commentary on those books. These commentaries are especially focusing on the meaning of the ancient Hebrew texts.

Even if you don’t go in that direction, here’s a bit of information that I have picked up there. These commentaries are very oriented to the literary structure of those first five books of the Bible. First, the words and ideas point to the antiquity of those writings. Second, they point out how much is missing from the Bible, for example, how it is just a skeleton in parts, assuming that the reader / listener already understands some things it talks about. One example is the cherubim which is stationed at the entrance to Eden, after Adam and Eve are expelled. “Cherubim” are not explained there. Cain and Abel are offering sacrifices to God and there is no explanation of how “sacrifices” came about or what they thought they were doing. Or, in chap one of Genesis, creation is said to occur in seven days.

Seven days are not important from an astrophysical sense, that is, days each of 24 hours duration. It is not referring to necessarily a seven-day period, but to something very important, i.e. creation, and a seven-day period is the way anything important is done, in the ancient middle east. Seven days is a metaphor to tell you that it was important.

There’s a lot more to learn about Genesis in a 325 page commentary, than in a few marginal or foot notes in such-and-such translation or edition.

Best advice: feel good about what you buy, and then start there, and don’t stop reading and asking questions.
 
If you are thinking of getting the Douay with Haydock commentary, you had better act quickly since the publisher has stopped printing them and they selling off their remaining copies. At least, this is what I read from acbooks.net, which is where I purchased mine.

I use the Haydock Bible in conjunction with my (many) other bibles and commentaries. You can’t get more Catholic than that. It is unapologetic in its Catholicism.
 
If you are thinking of getting the Douay with Haydock commentary, you had better act quickly since the publisher has stopped printing them and they selling off their remaining copies. At least, this is what I read from acbooks.net, which is where I purchased mine.
Actually, the publisher Catholic Treasures simply stopped printing the old multi-volume edition. It is still printing the single volume edition (e.g., here or here).

If you find the Haydock commentary helpful, I congratulate you. I have not found it helpful. I listed some complaints here. I must confess that I wonder how many of its advocates regularly use the Haydock commentary – I see it commonly praised on this forum, but I can’t be the only person who finds it difficult to use.
 
And what better place to ask it?

I currently use an NAB and am thinking of getting a DR with Haydock commentary.

I really like the “plain language” in the NAB, but I just read about the DR with Haydock commentary and this seems like a logical “next step” for me. I asked my DW if I could choose my own father’s day present and she said “Of course”.

The one I want is a little pricey ($125), so I wanted some opinions from all of you. I am absolutely obsessed with apologetics and want to get a little deeper.

Any and all comments are welcome, and thanks!

Ed
Ed,

I think the “next step” would to begin getting various types of commentaries on the books of the Bible you are interested. Any study Bible is going to be limited on what it can provide, so why not find yourself a Bible translation you like, which includes good study tools like maps and cross-references, then build up slowly on scholarly and devotional commentaries. They will be able to prove you far more in depth information in the long run. Also, as was mentioned above, the Ignatius Study Bible will be coming out in a New Testament edition pretty soon, which I am sure will be helpful.

Here are some recommendations:
catholicscripturecommentary.com/

scepterpublishers.org/category/?category_id=24

ignatius.com/search.aspx?SID=1&

amazon.com/International-Bible-Commentary-Ecumenical-Twenty-First/dp/0814624545

aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/title/Bible-Commentaries/FuseAction/store.BrowseCategory/Category/283/
 
Actually, the publisher Catholic Treasures simply stopped printing the old multi-volume edition. It is still printing the single volume edition (e.g., here or here).

If you find the Haydock commentary helpful, I congratulate you. I have not found it helpful. I listed some complaints here. I must confess that I wonder how many of its advocates regularly use the Haydock commentary – I see it commonly praised on this forum, but I can’t be the only person who finds it difficult to use.
Actually…no, I was talking about the single volume hardcover edition. On 5/28 I received this email (I’m on the mailing list) for All Catholic Books (acbooks.net):

The popular Traditional Catholic Haydock Bible now has limited supply at the publisher and due to the tight economy may not be reprinted in the near future. If you are thinking about getting one, now is a good time. It is our ‘Featured Title’.

This week’s Publisher Special features free shipping on Seton products.

Visit our main page for more details…

The note is gone now on the front page because that was the weekly update 2 weeks ago.

I read your post on the Haydock commentary and some of the critique (text size) is understandable. But your comment that it lacks patristic commentary is strange, considering patristic commentary makes up the great bulk of the work…

But its always good to have several commentaries, and I have also used the Ignatius Study Bible and Navarre series which are both popular with mainstream conservative Catholics.
 
Actually…no, I was talking about the single volume hardcover edition. On 5/28 I received this email (I’m on the mailing list) for All Catholic Books (acbooks.net):
The popular Traditional Catholic Haydock Bible now has limited supply at the publisher and due to the tight economy may not be reprinted in the near future. If you are thinking about getting one, now is a good time. It is our ‘Featured Title’.

This week’s Publisher Special features free shipping on Seton products.

Visit our main page for more details…
Thanks for this information.
 
I knew I came to the right place!

Thanks to all of you. I think I will spend some time looking into the issues you all brought up and check out all of your links. I certainly did want to do a bit more research before I chose my next Bible, and all of your comments have helped greatly.

Thanks so much!

Ed
 
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