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When was the bible officially put together with the books of the old and new testament?
 
oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Bible

somebody beat me to posting this link. but, it doesn’t say much, except that “gradually” the new testament writings were accepted as divinely inspired and compiled with the books of the OT.

Is there some deeper question here? There was, I believe, an early Church council which settled all this. I supposed you’re not interested in day-month-year, but the name of this council --right?
 
The books that actually are the inspired Word of God was decided by Pope Damasus at a Council of Rome in 382, confirmed at the Councils of Hippo, 393, Carthage III 397, Carthage !V in 419 and canonised at the Council of Trent (1545-1563).
 
This thread brings up a question for me. When people here say the bible is a “catholic”
book, do they mean catholic as universal?.Those just in union with Rome or all the pre- schism sees. For me it was/is catholic/orthodox origin…
 
Hiskid1973
When people here say the bible is a “catholic” book, do they mean catholic as universal?.Those just in union with Rome or all the pre- schism sees. For me it was/is catholic/orthodox origin…
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The “Bible” was given to the world by the Catholic Church. The New Testament was written by Catholics; the Gospels before the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
The books that actually are declared the inspired Word of God was decided by Pope Damasus at a Council of Rome in 382, confirmed at the Councils of Hippo, 393, Carthage III 397, Carthage IV in 419 and canonised at the Council of Trent (1545-1563) – 46 books in the Old Testament, 27 books in the New Testament.

As Christ gave His first Supreme Vicar, St Peter, His authority to bind and loose, the keys of the Kingdom of heaven, and on whom, as the rock, He built His Church, only She has the authority to interpret the Sacred Scriptures. It is the individual private interpretation of uncounted thousands which has spawned some 40,000 sects using Bibles, all differing in great and small ways in their own ideas.

See scripturecatholic.com/
 
“The New Testament was written by Catholics”. As long as long as you include the Orthodox church as part of them"catholics"
 
Hiskid1973 said:
“The New Testament was written by Catholics”. As long as long as you include the Orthodox church as part of them"catholics"
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Of course, because (as I said in another post) the Orthodox were part of the Catholic Church (the two being ONE Church) in AD 380.

Later (1054) came the Schism.

But the original Church was (and is) Catholic.

Let’s do it this way.

Subset A (Catholic) and subset B (Orthodox) are at point Y (AD 380) both members of set Z (the one holy Catholic and apostolic Church).

At point X (AD 1054) subset B ‘leaves’ set Z and establishes itself as in opposition to subset A. Both subsets claim the title of set Z, but a careful reading of history has supported the claim of subset A based on a variety of factors, doctrinal, geologic, etc.)

But a person examining point Y (AD 380) can claim that set Z (the Holy Catholic and apostolic church, THEN containing both subsets A and B) did a particular action. Both subsets at that time can claim that action as a heritage, so yes, the Catholic Church (which then included all those who now claim themselves Orthodox AS WELL AS those who claim themselves Catholic, Latin rite, plus the 23 rites in communion with the Pope) did that particular action.
 
Tantum ergo
But the original Church was (and is) Catholic.
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Precisely – Christ’s Church is the Catholic Church.

Those who don’t assent to all of Her teaching, through Her Magisterium, Her Sacred Tradition and Her Sacred Scripture cannot be in full communion with His Church.
 
JamestheOlder said:
That’s a bit of a strange reference. What can be found at this site regarding the compilation of Books into the Catholic Bible (the original “Bible”)?
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The original writing’s, that may be a more insightful question than you’ve realised. 😃
 
someguy14 said:
The original writing’s, that may be a more insightful question than you’ve realised. 😃
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The original writings of the Old Testament are not in question, I believe. Most everyone is familiar with the Septuagint, the “original” writings in Greek, and also the refusal of learned rabbis to accept all the Greek writings (they preferred those written in Hebrew). Hence, we have the difference between the “Protestant” and “Catholic” versions of the Bible.

The site you have referred to contains scraps of copies of Old Testament writings. Best I can find, there are no unusual or controversial elements found here, but, instead, confirmation of the existant writings.

This site contains no New Testament information, since the material seems to pre-date anything collected from Paul, the apostles, or the evangelists.

So, my question remains: what does this site provide in reference (specifically) to the OP’s question?
 
So basically, according to what I have been reading, the bible itself was never really bound to a hardcopy. The Early Church used the Dead Sea Scrolls to celebrate mass right? That is my assumption here.
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
So basically, according to what I have been reading, the bible itself was never really bound to a hardcopy. The Early Church used the Dead Sea Scrolls to celebrate mass right? That is my assumption here.
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Noooooooooooooooo!

There are so many sources of good information on the Bible. You could start with this:
catholicbible101.com/theholybible.htm
or there are sources of good (Catholic) information at other locations on here on Catholic Answers.

The “Early Church”, called The Way, probably did not even know the Dead Sea Scrolls existed. I can’t specify the writings they used, but, for Old Testament sources they probably used Scripture scrolls (if they had them) similar to those used in synagogues…some may have been in Hebrew, some in Greek.

There was no “New Testament”, as such. They might have had a copy of a Letter from Paul, or maybe James or one of the other Apostles, but most of the information now contained in our New Testament would have been presented orally…maybe even from actual witnesses who heard those words directly from Christ’s mouth.

There would not have been a “bound book (excluding Jewish scrolls)” including New Testament writing until cloistered monks began to copy the Scriptures by hand…and maybe not a “complete” Bible in one book until the printing press was invented, maybe 1400 years later (some say printing books was started maybe as early as 868, AD).

There’s lots to read on this subject; good hunting!

peace.
 
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 
someguy14 said:
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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Once again, I find an imponderable quote from you that seems to be outside of the OP’s question. However, since you insist, let me give you the FULL quotation of this section from 1John, so you may understand one more testimony to Catholic Tradition, rather than simply plucking verses which suit you from a Bible not yet completed in John’s time. The operative phase is highlighted in red, so you don’t miss it:

24Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father.* 25And this is the promise that he made us: eternal life. 26I write you these things about those who would deceive you. 27As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, so that you do not need anyone to teach you. But his anointing teaches you about everything and is true and not false; just as it taught you, remain in him.
This is from the NAB, Revised Edition, available at “USCCB Bible” on the internet.

You can see, when viewing the entire quotation, that if you have heard the Truth (not seen it in a book), and retain that teaching that brought you to anointing (Baptism, Confirmation), and that anointing (sanctifying grace) remains in you, you do not need anyone to teach you; i.e., you already have sanctifying grace, and that is sufficient for salvation. So, he says, remain in grace, and, just as it taught you by what you heard to bring you to this anointing, it will cause you to remain in Him (Jesus).

I really hate to break it to you this way, but belief in the Bible, even dedicated belief in its words as writen in various forms, does NOT bring salvation. Belief in Jesus the Christ, as G-d-man, brings Baptism, and with it, sanctifying grace…regardless of what version of the Bible you read, regardless of how many books your Bible contains, regardless of a Pope’s decree, regardless of learned rabbis selection of Hebrew Scriptures, only, for their Testament.

So, for all practical purposes towards obtaining salvation, the Bible is irrelevant. If you say “no”, you deny entry to Heaven for all those who died for and in the Faith (some in a most violent manner), including Peter and Paul, and yes, even John, whom you quote. Remember, they died before the “Bible” was constructed and canonized.

Any questions? Another quotation, perhaps?
 
JamestheOlder said:
There’s lots to read on this subject; good hunting!

peace.
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Mr. James,

Well, talk about my prayers being answered!!! 😃 I recently found a book on Catholic.com in the shop sections and it’s entitled “Where we got the Bibl” by Henry S. Graham. And let me just say WOW!!! It’s amazing what a little hunting can do. Thanks for your help. I am alway learning from everyone in here. God Bless you!!!

Arnold
 
anrmenchaca47 said:
Mr. James,

Well, talk about my prayers being answered!!! 😃 I recently found a book on Catholic.com in the shop sections and it’s entitled “Where we got the Bibl” by Henry S. Graham. And let me just say WOW!!! It’s amazing what a little hunting can do. Thanks for your help. I am alway learning from everyone in here. God Bless you!!!Arnold
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You re welcome, Arnold.
Please do not forget to check the tracts offered by Catholic Answers which were written by Karl Keating. I think access to all is free, and they contain a wealth of detail.
Peace.
Jim
 
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