Bible readings in the TLM

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Since I started attending a TLM, I noticed that the Bible readings (Epistle, Gospel) are in a more traditional form of English, obviously not from the New American Bible or New Jerusalem Bible, the 2 Catholic translations I am familiar with.

For example, a portion of today’s Gospel reading (feast of the Most Holy Rosary of the B.V.M.)

…And Mary said to the angel : How shall; this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the son of God. …

Is this the Douay Rheims version which I have heard of but am not familiar with. It does not sound like the King James version, which I believe is a Protestant translation anyway.

Jon
 
The DR is still commonly used in those parishes offering the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite (the Tridentine Mass).
 
Dear Jon,
"Is this the Douay Rheims version which I have heard of but am not familiar with."
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Yes, that would be the Douay Rheims version, beautiful isnt it.

God bless!
 
Don’t know if this is the right place to ask this question, but readers of this thread seem to know a lot.

Here goes:

In my memory, the Tridentine rite Mass had only a one year cycle of readings. I also remember that there was only one reading besides the reading from the gospels and this one reading was from the epistles, never or rarely from the Old Testament. Is that correct?

When the Tridentine Mass is celebrated today, will we still be limited to that same cycle of readings?
 
Dear JoanREDirector,
In my memory, the Tridentine rite Mass had only a one year cycle of readings. I also remember that there was only one reading besides the reading from the gospels and this one reading was from the epistles, never or rarely from the Old Testament. Is that correct?
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When the Tridentine Mass is celebrated today, will we still be limited to that same cycle of readings?
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I found this little blurb to best clarify for you 🙂
***First, the old rite generally has two readings, one from a New Testament epistle and the other from one of the Gospels, while the new rite generally adds a third reading from the Old Testament. Both usages can claim an equally ancient pedigree, though the new rite’s occasional allowance of a non-Scriptural text to act as a third reading is unprecedented in the world of apostolic liturgy. Second, not unlike other historic apostolic rites, the old rite uses a one-year cycle of readings while the new rite uses a three-year cycle. The advantage of the latter is greater exposure to the Scriptures; the advantage of the former is that it serves as an annual “ruler” against which one can measure one’s spiritual progress from year to year. ***

Hope that helps!
God Bless
 
jonpd said:
Since I started attending a TLM, I noticed that the Bible readings (Epistle, Gospel) are in a more traditional form of English, obviously not from the New American Bible or New Jerusalem Bible, the 2 Catholic translations I am familiar with.

For example, a portion of today’s Gospel reading** (feast of the Most Holy Rosary of the **
…And Mary said to the angel : How shall; this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the son of God. …****

Is this the Douay Rheims version which I have heard of but am not familiar with. It does not sound like the King James version, which I believe is a Protestant translation anyway.

Jon

Just a question. I used my new Latin/English Missal for the first time today. I had marked the Gospel/Epistle for the feast of the Most Holy Rosary before I left for Mass…but we used the readings, etc. for the Eighteenth Sunday after Pentacost? For the past year & a half I’ve been using a missalette provided by the parish with an insert that contains the proper Epistle & Gospel for that day. Having my first Latin/English in 40 years is a BIG DEAL to me…I never thought that would happen again in my lifetime. So, what’s the deal? Why did you pray the Mass of the Holy Rosary & we, another one??

I’m embarrassed that I have to ask. I should know this, but I confess that I don’t.
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Just a question. I used my new Latin/English Missal for the first time today. I had marked the Gospel/Epistle for the feast of the Most Holy Rosary before I left for Mass…but we used the readings, etc. for the Eighteenth Sunday after Pentacost? For the past year & a half I’ve been using a missalette provided by the parish with an insert that contains the proper Epistle & Gospel for that day. Having my first Latin/English in 40 years is a BIG DEAL to me…I never thought that would happen again in my lifetime. So, what’s the deal? Why did you pray the Mass of the Holy Rosary & we, another one??
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Our Lady of the Rosary is celebrated on Wednesday October 7th, 2009.
Today (Sunday) according to the TLM, is the 18th Sunday after Pentecost.
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According to the Ordo published by the FSSP, the External Solemnity of Our Lady of the Rosary could have been celebrated instead of the 18th Sunday after Pentecost. The Mass would have been as on October 7 with a commemoration of the 18th Sunday.
If memory serves me correctly, this observance of the External Solemnity can be always held on the 1st Sunday of October with a commemoration of the appropriate Sunday after Pentecost.
 
We still have my wife’s family’s copy of the DR.

Everyone moans and groans about the changes after V II but one of the best changes was that we went from a one year, very limited cycle, to a three year more inclusive cycle. I like that.

Cradle Cath? Are our old St. Joseph Missals not usable? I assumed that when an EF was made available to me, I would be able to use my Missal from 1963.
 
emseguin said:
Dear JoanREDirector,

I found this little blurb to best clarify for you 🙂
***First, the old rite generally has two readings, one from a New Testament epistle and the other from one of the Gospels, while the new rite generally adds a third reading from the Old Testament. Both usages can claim an equally ancient pedigree, though the new rite’s occasional allowance of a non-Scriptural text to act as a third reading is unprecedented in the world of apostolic liturgy. Second, not unlike other historic apostolic rites, the old rite uses a one-year cycle of readings while the new rite uses a three-year cycle. The advantage of the latter is greater exposure to the Scriptures; the advantage of the former is that it serves as an annual “ruler” against which one can measure one’s spiritual progress from year to year. ***

Hope that helps!
God Bless
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What are the non-Scriptural texts and when and how often are they allowed?
 
brotherhrolf said:
We still have my wife’s family’s copy of the DR.

Everyone moans and groans about the changes after V II but one of the best changes was that we went from a one year, very limited cycle, to a three year more inclusive cycle. I like that.

Cradle Cath? Are our old St. Joseph Missals not usable? I assumed that when an EF was made available to me, I would be able to use my Missal from 1963.
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Sorry, it took me so long to reply Brotherholf. I got a little fed up with some fighting on these forums & had to stay away for a couple of days. Yes, I do think that our St. Joseph Missals would work. My problem is that the print in my old one is just too small. I’ve been using one of the missalettes available at Church & I am thrilled to have my own new missal. It’s from Angelus Press & it has many extras.

I think that it represents a commitment to me. I’ve been afraid all along that we would lose this Mass & purchasing a new leather bound missal says to me that I have faith that God will continue to provide me with this wonderful Mass. Sounds silly, but it is how I feel.

BTW. I, too, still have the big DR. bible that we received from my parent’s -in-law when we got married. We started a custom as soon as our children were old enough to understand…every Christmas Eve, we had a special supper & read the Nativity Story from Luke from the D.R. bible. I tried reading it from a small, modern bible & the language
just isn’t the same. So now, our Grandchildren get to hear it from the DR.
 
Well, thank goodness I am near sighted and don’t need to worry about small print. When and if we every break out of the “indult parish” mentality down here, I will be able to use the Missal I got when I was confirmed in March, 1963.
 
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