Bible Series problem with Tonight's episode

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To everyone that watched the fourth episode of this epic series, here’s what i found wrong.

In this episode, it is basically portraying Jesus’ ministry with his disciple all the way up to the betrayal. What i saw, well actually my mom saw (which is kind of surprising since she was a former Protestant), was the with THE 12 there was a women. Like she went everywhere that the original 12 did. AND they showed her more and having more authority than some of the 12.

In the episode, you find out that this woman is Mary the sister of Martha and Lazarus. I understand that they were really close friends with Jesus and his family, but i think that they portrayed her in a sense that seemed to come from a feminist view of the Bible. (Just my opinion)

I was keeping my cool for a bit when they showed her constantly doing things or speaking of the things of the Apostles, but i REALLY LOST IT when they had her SITTING in the same room and partaking in the Last Supper!

As a man that has come to love the Eucharist with my heart and the mystery of Christ’s priesthood, i don’t think that it was very appropriate to have that in the show. Now i understand that the directors were Catholic and protestant but still…

anyone else feel the same way?
 
Bballer32 said:
To everyone that watched the fourth episode of this epic series, here’s what i found wrong.

In this episode, it is basically portraying Jesus’ ministry with his disciple all the way up to the betrayal. What i saw, well actually my mom saw (which is kind of surprising since she was a former Protestant), was the with THE 12 there was a women. Like she went everywhere that the original 12 did. AND they showed her more and having more authority than some of the 12.

In the episode, you find out that this woman is Mary the sister of Martha and Lazarus. I understand that they were really close friends with Jesus and his family, but i think that they portrayed her in a sense that seemed to come from a feminist view of the Bible. (Just my opinion)

I was keeping my cool for a bit when they showed her constantly doing things or speaking of the things of the Apostles, but i REALLY LOST IT when they had her SITTING in the same room and partaking in the Last Supper!

As a man that has come to love the Eucharist with my heart and the mystery of Christ’s priesthood, i don’t think that it was very appropriate to have that in the show. Now i understand that the directors were Catholic and protestant but still…

anyone else feel the same way?
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I didn’t get to see it myself but that sound like something they would pull.
 
Bballer32 said:
To everyone that watched the fourth episode of this epic series, here’s what i found wrong.

In this episode, it is basically portraying Jesus’ ministry with his disciple all the way up to the betrayal. What i saw, well actually my mom saw (which is kind of surprising since she was a former Protestant), was the with THE 12 there was a women. Like she went everywhere that the original 12 did. AND they showed her more and having more authority than some of the 12.

In the episode, you find out that this woman is Mary the sister of Martha and Lazarus. I understand that they were really close friends with Jesus and his family, but i think that they portrayed her in a sense that seemed to come from a feminist view of the Bible. (Just my opinion)

I was keeping my cool for a bit when they showed her constantly doing things or speaking of the things of the Apostles, but i REALLY LOST IT when they had her SITTING in the same room and partaking in the Last Supper!

As a man that has come to love the Eucharist with my heart and the mystery of Christ’s priesthood, i don’t think that it was very appropriate to have that in the show. Now i understand that the directors were Catholic and protestant but still…

anyone else feel the same way?
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I didn’t see it but I am not surprised because my impression of the series is that it is hit or miss and selective on what it show and dramatizes from the Bible. I am not sure what Bible experts and consultants the producers used, Protestant or Catholic. I felt they emphasized the more gruesome and violent parts, at least in the OT. The producers mean well but it is pretty tough to reduce a large book with many parts and characters down to a mini series for TV on the history channel which is everything but actual or accurate history.
 
Bballer32 said:
To everyone that watched the fourth episode of this epic series, here’s what i found wrong.

In this episode, it is basically portraying Jesus’ ministry with his disciple all the way up to the betrayal. What i saw, well actually my mom saw (which is kind of surprising since she was a former Protestant), was the with THE 12 there was a women. Like she went everywhere that the original 12 did. AND they showed her more and having more authority than some of the 12.

In the episode, you find out that this woman is Mary the sister of Martha and Lazarus. I understand that they were really close friends with Jesus and his family, but i think that they portrayed her in a sense that seemed to come from a feminist view of the Bible. (Just my opinion)

I was keeping my cool for a bit when they showed her constantly doing things or speaking of the things of the Apostles, but i REALLY LOST IT when they had her SITTING in the same room and partaking in the Last Supper!

As a man that has come to love the Eucharist with my heart and the mystery of Christ’s priesthood, i don’t think that it was very appropriate to have that in the show. Now i understand that the directors were Catholic and protestant but still…

anyone else feel the same way?
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I knew they were playing fast and loose with the bible, when they changed the story of Sodom and Gomorra. Which is why I stopped watching after the first episode.
 
october_baby said:
I knew they were playing fast and loose with the bible, when they changed the story of Sodom and Gomorra. Which is why I stopped watching after the first episode.
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I am afraid I didn’t have sense to stop then.:o I had it with the portrayal of Joseph as modern day husband:mad:
 
Bballer32 said:
To everyone that watched the fourth episode of this epic series, here’s what i found wrong.

In this episode, it is basically portraying Jesus’ ministry with his disciple all the way up to the betrayal. What i saw, well actually my mom saw (which is kind of surprising since she was a former Protestant), was the with THE 12 there was a women. Like she went everywhere that the original 12 did. AND they showed her more and having more authority than some of the 12.
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This offends my patriarchal sensibilities. I’m afraid my wife will see this now and start getting ideas. I prefer the way Jesus did it: men and women are equal. Men have all of the authority and women have none. Equal rights, not special rights!
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adrift:
I had it with the portrayal of Joseph as modern day husband
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How so?
 
october_baby said:
I knew they were playing fast and loose with the bible, when they changed the story of Sodom and Gomorra. Which is why I stopped watching after the first episode.
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we stopped after the first episode. Caught a few bits and pieces of the second and just couldn’t watch it.

I think Cecile B DeMille did a better job.
 
I wonder why they are just showing Mary Magdalene with the “boys” so to speak and not the other women who also funded and served in Christ’s ministry. I said to my husband that Mary Magdalene was hanging out with the apostles like Elaine with the guys on Seinfeld-LOL! If the point was to show the important role of women like Mary Magdalene I am all for it but I wonder why they are just showing her and not the other women. I am not sure Mary was really in the boat for example and if she was then why was she the only woman there? I am afraid this almost feeds the Dan Brown fans out there. On the other hand I have no problem with the fact that there were women including Mary Magdalene who were very much a part of Christ’s earthly ministry and if that was the intent then I have no issue with it.

Blessings,

Val
 
DaddyGirl said:
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But many women like this one, and Mary Magdalene–who was one of the women who funded Jesus’ ministry, right? And helped make it possible?–were indeed disciples and often traveled with them and spoke with Jesus.
This is fact, is it not? It would not be incorrect to have at least one woman there to illustrate this.
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The fact part of your response is that yes Jesus had many disciples that were men and women. There is a difference though between THE 12 disciples and the rest of his disciples. When you read the Gospels, they will sometimes say that “Jesus and the 12” or “the 12 went with Jesus” with indicates that they were his main followers, and all were male.
DaddyGirl:
On this forum, Jesus is often described as one very much for women’s rights and lifting them up from how they were treated in that era and talking to them and hearing them talk…it makes sense to have at least one woman present to show this. It is good to show this.
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Yes it is good to show that Jesus treated everyone equal and loved everyone. But that does not mean that he had favorites or specific people for his ministry. He has reasons for choosing men to do his ultimate ministry and not women.
DaddyGirl:
As for the passover supper, the bible says he had dinner with his 12. But it doesn’t mention no women were in the room or nearby. I mean…even if she or a few women were in the kitchen a few feet away cooking the dinner (or, would Jesus and the apostles have cooked their own dinner?)…it would make sense that she might sit down, might eat. She’d be hungry, too.
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Clearly your not thinking of the reasoning for the Last Supper. It’s not a regular supper. If there truly was a woman or women at the Last Supper, than that would screw up the Catholic Church’s tradition and the tradition of the Priesthood.
DaddyGirl:
If you love the Eucharist so much, then you know it is meant for both male and female genders to partake in, as they do it in church.
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I never said anything about partaking in the Eucharist. Men and women can partake in the Eucharist, but only MALES can be ordained priests and bring about the Eucharist to the people.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Yeah, I’m all too painfully aware of the male-only priest rule. That still doesn’t mean a woman can’t sit down and eat dinner like a regular person. There may have been women present, we don’t know for sure.
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There may have been a women in the same building, not in the same room. If women happened to be in the same room when Christ said “do this in remembrance of me” then they may have gotten the notion that they were to do this also and not just the males, which would contradict what tradition has held.
 
I have not seen that scene yet --but I find the series a mix. Some very well done scenes from a production point of view…and some great sets and costumes --and some moving scenes — but yes there are various “changes” in what actually happened in the Bible (something that rather annoys my wife and I …). So not a series I am planning to “recommend” personally.
 
I have not seen that scene yet --but I find the series a mix. Some very well done scenes from a production point of view…and some great sets and costumes --and some moving scenes — but yes there are various “changes” in what actually happened in the Bible (something that rather annoys my wife and I …)( I know they say it is “based” on the Bible —so I can understand a certain “artistic liberty” --but I wanted to less “changes” in what actually was portrayed). So not a series I am planning to “recommend” personally.
 
I didn’t see that episode as I was watching basketball. I had a few issues with some of the previous episodes, like the character of Samson.
 
DaddyGirl said:
But…women DO do it, in remembrance of him, every Sunday or even more so.
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The "do it’ refers to the consecration at Mass. So NO women have never, can never “do it”. When they try, it is always invalid.
Yes, and they are either Protestant or in excommunication of the Church (i.e. RCWP)
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Right on:thumbsup:
 
I had a feeling that the women would wind up eating dinner with them. I was kinda hoping that they weren’t implying that Mary was one of the 12. I didn’t catch her in the last supper scene because my attention was divided between the t.v. and the computer.

In accordance with women being at the last supper cooking it or otherwise: wasn’t there an owner of the room? I had the impression that they rented it out from the owner and that the owner supplied the food. Much like an Inn or Tavern,
 
robwar said:
I didn’t see it but I am not surprised because my impression of the series is that it is hit or miss and selective on what it show and dramatizes from the Bible. I am not sure what Bible experts and consultants the producers used, Protestant or Catholic. I felt they emphasized the more gruesome and violent parts, at least in the OT. The producers mean well but it is pretty tough to reduce a large book with many parts and characters down to a mini series for TV on the history channel which is everything but actual or accurate history.
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My husband and I stopped watching after the episode two weeks ago that introduced Jesus. We felt that they were selective as to which parts they would show as well. The annunciation was not depicted to be anything special and Joseph’s dreams were more like daydreams. These are only some of the issues we found, and since we are only recently learning our faith anew, we felt that it would give us the wrong information and lead us astray in interpretation (we are both cradle Catholics with a lot of catching up to do, and we are enjoying every moment of it :D) .

Also, it felt like the creators had an agenda…am I the only one that wondered if the fact that they left out Mary visiting Elizabeth and John the Baptist leaping in her womb to be so as not to “offend” the pro-choicers? It could have been a wonderful opportunity to show how the Bible recognizes the humanity of the unborn, and they left it out. It would have only taken a short scene, too. Something seems fishy now, especially with what the OP brought up with the Last Supper. I am grateful we chose to not continue watching it.
 
I’m not a PC guy and I don’t see a problem.
Bballer32 said:
The fact part of your response is that yes Jesus had many disciples that were men and women. There is a difference though between THE 12 disciples and the rest of his disciples. When you read the Gospels, they will sometimes say that “Jesus and the 12” or “the 12 went with Jesus” with indicates that they were his main followers, and all were male.

Yes it is good to show that Jesus treated everyone equal and loved everyone. But that does not mean that he had favorites or specific people for his ministry. He has reasons for choosing men to do his ultimate ministry and not women.

Clearly your not thinking of the reasoning for the Last Supper. It’s not a regular supper. If there truly was a woman or women at the Last Supper, than that would screw up the Catholic Church’s tradition and the tradition of the Priesthood.

I never said anything about partaking in the Eucharist. Men and women can partake in the Eucharist, but only MALES can be ordained priests and bring about the Eucharist to the people.
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I did not like what they did with Jesus’ life and ministry. They skipped a lot of stuff, and rearranged a lot of stuff. They made it seem like much more of a political thing, and not spiritual. They spent a lot of time on Pilot and the head priest in the temple, and focused on violence. I just wasn’t really impressed with it.
 
adrift said:
The "do it’ refers to the consecration at Mass. So NO women have never, can never “do it”. When they try, it is always invalid.

Right on:thumbsup:
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“Do it” can have two meanings or Jesus could only have been talking to the apostles at that time.
 
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