Bible verse saying a fetus isn't a human until three months

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A friend of mine (somewhat pro-choice, somewhat pro-life) says that somewhere in the Bible it says that after two or three months, the fetus becomes a human being, but not before that.

I am skeptical.

Does anyone know what she is referencing?
 
This is the BEST opportunity to do “Apologetics” with your friend. The way to begin is to ask him’her show you the verse in the Scriptures since he/she makes the claim.

Until you produce the verse, the Forum cannot begin.

I don’t know of such a verse.
 
The verses known to me stated no time so it should be understood the fetus became a human at the moment the fetus was conceived. That the start of a life by the LOVE of The Giver Of Life. It’s my belief

Mary visited Elizabeth when Jesus was about days of weeks old - unnoticeable to anyone except being revealed by the Holy Spirit. So did her son- John - a fetus- and Elizabeth concluded the first part of The Hail Mary

St Joseph was also aware of the fetus and it caused him to fall in a great fear and wished to withdraw. He did obeyed God in celebrating the engagement ceremony but because of deep respect toward The Holy Child and His Pure Mother- He disqualified himself. Please see my posts DID JOSEPH EVER INTEND TO DIVORCE MARY? NO

Here are the verses
Deu 7:13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Luk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
Isa 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
Jer 20:17 Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb [to be] always great [with me].
 
Sheesh, people will try so hard to justify abortion. Even if what the person claims is true (which it isn’t) abortion would STILL be gravely immoral because it would be a form of contraception.
 
Hi,
Those verses dont sound like they have anything to do with the OP question.😦 Im not saying that to be mean to you just they arent saying anything about a fetus only being a fetus at 3 months.:confused: I dont think there is a single verse out there that your friend can come up with to prove her point. I would read her Psalms 139.👍
 
I have read thru the Bible many a time in the past hlaf century, and there is no such verse!!

I think that this may have been something that (some) people may have believed in the past, before we understood the developmental stages of life. I have heard elderly people say this about when the baby first moves (or the mother feels it moving).
But that is NOT in the Bible.
 
One detail to be acknowledged : The Bible used the term “infant”
brephos in Greek to describe a fetus and also a born child
Luke 1:41 and 1:44 : described the infant John in her mother’s womb
Luke2:12, 2:16 etc described the Holy Child wrapped in bands of cloth and lying in the manger
 
The person really has to provide the verse. I am not familiar with any such verse. I would pray about this, if I were you, for it may be an oppurtunity for this woman to come around, but only God can do that - so ask Him.

Also invoke St. John the Baptist.
 
There is this verse from Exodus 21:22 but it doesn’t indicate anything about person hood.
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"When men have a fight and hurt a pregnant woman, so that she suffers a miscarriage, but no further injury, the guilty one shall be fined as much as the woman’s husband demands of him, and he shall pay in the presence of the judges.
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FuzzyBunny116 said:
A friend of mine (somewhat pro-choice, somewhat pro-life) says that somewhere in the Bible it says that after two or three months, the fetus becomes a human being, but not before that.

I am skeptical.

Does anyone know what she is referencing?
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Don’t believe your friend … Have the friend explain this verse.

Jer 1:5
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Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you, a prophet to the nations I appointed you.
 
Zooey said:
I have read thru the Bible many a time in the past hlaf century, and there is no such verse!!

I think that this may have been something that (some) people may have believed in the past, before we understood the developmental stages of life. I have heard elderly people say this about when the baby first moves (or the mother feels it moving).
But that is NOT in the Bible.
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Re-reading this post of mine, I realize that I have been :o more than:o usually muddled in expressing myself…

What I was trying to say, is that I have heard elderly people, speaking from what they were taught in school, I have heard them say that a baby is not human, or does not have a soul, until said baby moves, or at about 3 months.
This is not in the Bible. It was simply, I think, the state of science in former days, that did not recognize an unborn child until later in pregnancy.

(Hopefully, I have made things better, not :o worse with this explantion…)
 
FuzzyBunny116 said:
A friend of mine (somewhat pro-choice, somewhat pro-life) says that somewhere in the Bible it says that after two or three months, the fetus becomes a human being, but not before that.

I am skeptical.

Does anyone know what she is referencing?
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since the friend has not supplied any actual reference, no response is necessary or possible. the ball is in her court.
 
I believe that our Jewish brothers don’t believe the fetus is a human being until after it’s passed the birth canal. I seem to recall a Jewish Rabbi claiming that Partial Birth Abortion is not against Jewish Law because of this.

I could be wrong, but it really struck me as odd at the time.
 
Exodus 21:22-25 has been interpreted by some in this way, as mentioned in another thread, here.
 
To the friend who posed the question, I would like to say that to me it’s a hoax to trap people without strong Bible background to believe it to be true. There is no such word in the bible.
The issue of 3 months fetuses was raised in the Roe? case where the US Supreme Ct decided that abortion is legal. It became the new’ ‘human bible’ for us to follow .There is nothing to do with the Bible -THE WORD OF THE LORD
 
Todd_Easton said:
Exodus 21:22-25 has been interpreted by some in this way, as mentioned in another thread, here.
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That verse to me specificially defines the punishment for murdering a forming child. It seems to say that killing a child without giving it the chance to think about the salvation of it’s soul, requires a lesser punishment, because while it is technically a “Child” as the verse states, it has not been born and therefore is not fully human. the verse seems to indicate that it’s only after birth can it be defined to be “man”. Therefore killing it still violates god’s law of “tthou shalt not kill” because it is a forming human being. But the penance should be somewhat lesser.
 
Rest assured, there is no such verse. People who do not know God’s word and may or may not believe in him often say that just to bolster their case. It has been happening for a long time and will no doubt continue until the Lord Jesus Christ returns. When faced with challenges of this nature, first consider God’s character as He has revealed Himself to us in scripture. Then, compare the asserted claim against that; knowing of a certainty that God cannot contradict Himself.
 
jabajaba said:
Rest assured, there is no such verse. People who do not know God’s word and may or may not believe in him often say that just to bolster their case. It has been happening for a long time and will no doubt continue until the Lord Jesus Christ returns. When faced with challenges of this nature, first consider God’s character as He has revealed Himself to us in scripture. Then, compare the asserted claim against that; knowing of a certainty that God cannot contradict Himself.
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I agree. I may not have been clear in the last post, the contentious verse is really referring to the penalty for killing an unborn fetus, which is a “Forming human being” but isn’t fully complete because a fully complete human being is one which has been born. The main thing about this verse is that it is referring to the penalty, implying that this behavior is still a mortal sin and is still a breach of god’s commandment not to murder each other.

It is stopping the process from compleating and is therefore killing a human lifeform, despite it being one yet to be compleatly formed. It’s penalty should be lesser(as the verse states) than for a man who kills a born human being, but it is still wrong.
 
Zooey said:
Re-reading this post of mine, I realize that I have been :o more than:o usually muddled in expressing myself…

What I was trying to say, is that I have heard elderly people, speaking from what they were taught in school, I have heard them say that a baby is not human, or does not have a soul, until said baby moves, or at about 3 months.
This is not in the Bible. It was simply, I think, the state of science in former days, that did not recognize an unborn child until later in pregnancy.

(Hopefully, I have made things better, not :o worse with this explantion…)
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Ah ha! You are onto something here. In my grandmother’s day, when a mother first felt the baby move, it was called “the quickening” – remember: the ‘quick’ and the dead; quick meaning alive. Also Aquinas speculated on “ensoulment” at two different points for male and female babies.

I vote with everybody else that if the OPs friend is going to accuse Scripture of saying something on this subject that she needs to cough up the reference.
 
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