The Divine Law does not change. The Divine Law defines those things that are instrinsically disordered-- those things that are always wrong in all times and all places.
No, he did not change them he reiterated them. God’s Divine Law does not change.
He did not change them.
See the Catechism on the Fifth Commandment and what it encompasses. Jesus explained the Commandment and reiterated it. He did not change it.
The spiritless men of earth which were created beforehand… Earth wasn’t created 6007 years ago… I’m certain… God told his newest creations to go forth and REPLENISH the Earth and as I have said before… you can only replenish something that has been used before… So Adam and Eve had their children… and their children mated with the spiritless men to create offspring that contained a spirit… I don’t believe there was any incest.
Perhaps this article will help.
What you believe, and what the Church teaches are two different things.
Right… but the Church doesn’t give a reasonable answer for everything, either… The Church here on earth does have it’s limits in knowledge… I personally wouldn’t believe a church that taught that my great ancestors were all guilty of incest… And after that they say God CHANGED HIS MIND? I think God would have planned everything perfectly… and even so, through all that incest we’d have horrible deformations on our flesh…
You only take that stance because you believe marrying relatives is intrinsically wrong. The bible shows it is not-- as has been mentioned, Sara and Abram were closely related.
No one has said he “changed his mind”. Incest outside the direct line is not intrinsically disordered. God added restrictions during a time and place where it was necessary. Just as he restricted the diet of the Jews where it had not previously been restricted.
Of course he did. And, then Man sinned through his free will.
That is a result of Original Sin and the fallen nature of the world.
Do you really know that I take that stance because I think marrying relatives is wrong? I could care less who did what… I take that stance because I have read the beginnings of Genesis and have made connections with the vision brought to Jeremiah… The earth was formless and void… “I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.” in Jeremiah 4:26 … So God came BACK to the earth and DESTROYED some number of civilizations after the earth was created… so there were DEFINITELY men living beforehand… and then it goes on to say how God created the rivers and oceans and everything new that lived on the earth… You also see that God said let there be light… to possibly remove the ashes and dust that arose from the earth from his destruction of the previous civilizations? It makes sense doesn’t it?
If ever there were a case against personal interpretation of the Bible, you have just made it.
No. It makes absolutely no sense at all. This is so far off the mark, I don’t even have words for it.
It’s not a “touchy subject” at all.
Because Christ is not a liar.
The bibe is inerrant, not infallible.
“Personal Interpretation!” yet you never provide any proof- and I don’t think God destroyed and remade the earth so that it was void again! HE PROMISED He would not destroy humanity again, it’s the same vision and that same vision shows cities of men!
Is that kind of sarcasm called for?
It is the same vision. It’s the vision in the whole context of Jeremiah chapter 4. It’s the destruction of Jerusalem.
Except that you are reading “all of creation” into this Apocalyptic vision, when Jeremiah is talking of the destruction of Judah.
But, the bible tells us to go to the Church for Truth - See Matthew 18. Yes, the Bible is inerrant, so when the Bible says “Take it to the Church”, Catholics say, “Yea, and Amen!”
And, you have yet to prove that the Catholic Church today is not the Church that Christ left us.
Yes, I misworded that previous paragraph… I do believe that God’s Church is a source of truth for us, but presently (this is what I meant to say) the Bible is the one thing we KNOW is truthful for CERTAIN, unlike churches where you can only take guesses… and THAT we can agree on, if not, most of us. If you need an example… There is only one Holy Bible where there are dozens of religions and churches that claim to follow it… but since there are so many churches… which one is the correct one? Well obviously the one that bases itself on God’s Word…
Also, you can trust the One Church that fulfills Christ’s promise to be with til the end of the age.
And I don’t blame you for believing that the Catholic Church is NOT right.
Christ said there is no Salvation but through Him. The Catholic Church is only continuing what Christ taught.
So why do you follow a church that obviously teaches something that is false. Didn’t Christ tell us that the Holy Spirit would be with us to insure that we teach only the truth?
It has to be, or Christ did not fulfill His promise.
more precisely, the Pentecost, when Peter had his coming out party.
Because the Bible tells us to take our disputes to the Church. If it said, “Take it to the Church, until those foolish mortals can settle on the New Testament…”, now that would be a different story.
Yeah, this should cover a different thread (my regrets to the OP), but if you studied the teachings of the Early Church, you’ll find that only the Catholic Church can claim to have One Teaching since Apostolic times.
I think something just came to me! Jesus said where three are gathered in my name I will be there! These gatherings were supposed to be the church, not the big buildings where people attend- they didn’t have buildings to meet in, except their houses- those people gathering in Christ’s name would have been believers in him, and them containing the Holy Spirit (Faith in Christ brings the Holy Spirit right?! =D) would be moved by him, I think THAT is the Church and that THAT is the object Christ will remain with til the end of time! Christ will be with all of his believers to the end of time, why didn’t I think of that before?Also, you can trust the One Church that fulfills Christ’s promise to be with til the end of the age.
Luckily, the same Church fits both of our criteria.
And I don’t blame you for believing that the Catholic Church is NOT right.
For if She is right, then that means that your church is…
Christ said there is no Salvation but through Him. The Catholic Church is only continuing what Christ taught.
What does He tell us in the inerrant Bible? “He who listens to you, listens to me. He who rejects you, reject me and the Father that sent me” (paraphrasing).
So why do you follow a church that obviously teaches something that is false. Didn’t Christ tell us that the Holy Spirit would be with us to insure that we teach only the truth?
It has to be, or Christ did not fulfill His promise.
more precisely, the Pentecost, when Peter had his coming out party. Because the Bible tells us to take our disputes to the Church. If it said, “Take it to the Church, until those foolish mortals can settle on the New Testament…”, now that would be a different story.
Yeah, this should cover a different thread (my regrets to the OP), but if you studied the teachings of the Early Church, you’ll find that only the Catholic Church can claim to have One Teaching since Apostolic times.
For instance, the Eucharist has been taught by every generation since St. Paul’s letter to the Corinthians. Scholars can find Church Fathers in EVERY generation since then teaching of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. That’s simply amazing.
The teachings and practices of Bapstism (i.e. removal of sins, receiving the Holy Spirit, infant baptisms) have remained incredibly consistent since the first century.
Confession? 1st Century. The disciplines of this Sacrament have changed, but not the general teaching.
I’m going to trust in God’s promises, while verifying these consistent teachings and know with absolute certainty that the Catholic Church is the One True Apostolic Church that Christ left us.
P.S. BTW, you may want to study the Catholic Church’s teachings that there is no salvation outside of the Church before you condemn it. This teaching is amazingly misunderstood among the Christian community (by Catholics and non-Catholics alike).
