Biblical Reference to the Rapture

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So, in a conversation with my betrothed regarding the 3 days of darkness, we stated discussing the Rapture, and the Biblical nature of the idea of the Rapture.
I googled “Biblical References to the Rapture”, and came up with this site: What is the Rapture?. As I have gone through the Bible verses, I see how the idea of the Rapture can be inferred, but I also see how the idea of the dead and the live are taken to Heaven for Judgement.

Please help me understand the Biblical references to the Rapture, and why you believe in this idea.

TYIA and God Bless!

x-posted to Apologetics
 
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (New International Version © 2010)
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

The word Rapture comes from the phrase “caught up” which is transated in the Latin Vulgate as “rapio”.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

The claim here is that the returning saints at the second coming are from the eariler rapture, but they could simply be those who died in Christ between his two comings.

Matthew 24:36-44 (New International Version © 2010)
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 **Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. ** 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

The claim here is one person is raptured while the other is left behind. From the culture it could simply be one person is forced into service by Roman military during a war march to carry luggage or fix meals, while the other person is not.

Revelation 4
1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This is viewed as a “type” of the rapture.

Revelation 3:10 (King James Version)
10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The hour of temptation is viewed as being the great tribulation. The debate here is on the meaning of the greek, “ek”, does it mean “out of” in this context or “through”. God can very well protect a person during a time of trail vs having him avoid the time peroid by either killing him or removing him from earth via rapture. Given the history of the church going through trials and tribulation, a rapture simply does not make sense.

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Jeremiah 30:7-11 (King James Version)
7Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but **he shall be saved out of it. ** 8For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

They do a play on the words “saved out of it”, but when you read the text in context, I think it is clear one is protected during trails – as I think James says, “count it all Joy, when trails…”

2 Thessalonians 2:7-9 (King James Version)
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until **he be taken out of the way. ** 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

The person who is being taken away in this verse is viewed as being the church. Problem is, it is a person, maybe the Holy Spirit or someone else? that is being taken out of the way. Also, the church is viewed in scripture as being the Bride of Christ or female, never male to my knowledge.
 
Most of the verses in that article you link to have to do with the second coming. They will play the game, this is referred to in text A, but it is not in text B therefore Text A is about the rapture and Text B is about the Second Coming – should it not be called the Third coming?

You may want to introduce section 16 of the Didache into your conversation.
 
😉 Something overlooked in biblical culture is when people came out to greet a King and escort him into the fort or city, that could very well be the picture 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is painting too.
 
Most of the verses in that article you link to have to do with the second coming. They will play the game, this is referred to in text A, but it is not in text B therefore Text A is about the rapture and Text B is about the Second Coming – should it not be called the Third coming?

You may want to introduce section 16 of the Didache into your conversation.
I think you are confusing the Rapture with the Second Coming:
When Mary was taken up to Heaven : was that a return of Christ.?

The rapture and the second coming of Christ are often confused. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a scripture verse is referring to the rapture or the second coming. However, in studying end-times Bible prophecy, it is very important to differentiate between the two.

The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.

The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:
  1. At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).
  2. The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  3. The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
  4. The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).
  5. The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?
  1. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  2. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).
  3. In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).
The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences.

In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire. -gotquestions.org

I hope the above points help to clarify the difference.
 
I think you are confusing the Rapture with the Second Coming:
When Mary was taken up to Heaven : was that a return of Christ.?

The rapture and the second coming of Christ are often confused. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a scripture verse is referring to the rapture or the second coming. However, in studying end-times Bible prophecy, it is very important to differentiate between the two.

The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.

The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:
  1. At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).
  2. The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  3. The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
  4. The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).
  5. The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?
  1. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  2. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).
  3. In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).
The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences.

In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire. -gotquestions.org

I hope the above points help to clarify the difference.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 - ‘For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, That we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep.’
 
Then will those who become chrisitans during the tribulation and die as such be resurrected at the second coming and where does scripture specifcally address that?
 
So, in a conversation with my betrothed regarding the 3 days of darkness, we stated discussing the Rapture, and the Biblical nature of the idea of the Rapture.
I googled “Biblical References to the Rapture”, and came up with this site: What is the Rapture?. As I have gone through the Bible verses, I see how the idea of the Rapture can be inferred, but I also see how the idea of the dead and the live are taken to Heaven for Judgement.

Please help me understand the Biblical references to the Rapture, and why you believe in this idea.

TYIA and God Bless!

x-posted to Apologetics
Here’s a good resource for the Catholic (non)belief about the rapture. It’s about 3/4 down the list.

biblechristiansociety.com/download
 
from
catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/keyword/rapture

Q:“ Do Catholics believe in the Rapture?

”A: The word Rapture is connected to the Latin word rapiemur, which appears in Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians in the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. It means to be raised up or caught up:

The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:16–17)

Therefore, Catholics believe that those Christians who are still living at the Second Coming of Christ will be gathered together with those who have died in Christ to be forever with the Lord. Catholics do not generally use the term Rapture, nor do they believe in a Rapture that will take place some time before the Second Coming, as do many Evangelicals."

Catholic don’t use the term “rapture” but Catholics believe that
The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, “RAPTURED” together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:16–17)

When will it happen is a different discussion; but that " rapiemur" or a " raised up or caught up" will happen is Biblical
 
The rapture is not biblical. The coming of the son of man will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Who was taken in the days of Noah and the day of Lot? Answer : the bad guys. The good people were ( and the ones left behind) were “caught up” to meet the Lord in the air. Protestants take a verse or a hand full of verses and interpret only those verses. You do that, it will be taken out of context. Catholics read all verses of the second coming and read it in context, where you get the FULL meaning. youtube.com/watch?v=iYdC33Ulh4w
 
I think you are confusing the Rapture with the Second Coming:
When Mary was taken up to Heaven : was that a return of Christ.?

The rapture and the second coming of Christ are often confused. Sometimes it is difficult to determine whether a scripture verse is referring to the rapture or the second coming. However, in studying end-times Bible prophecy, it is very important to differentiate between the two.

The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.

The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:
  1. At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).
  2. The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6–19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  3. The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
  4. The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).
  5. The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6–18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?
  1. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
  2. If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent—there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).
  3. In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6–19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation—also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)—God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).
The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences.

In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire. -gotquestions.org

I hope the above points help to clarify the difference.
**The Bible speaks of Christ’s return - a 2nd coming. It never refers to a 3rd or 4th coming as Rapture adherents believe. ****The so-called “Rapture” occurs AT the 2nd coming - the return of Christ. **
This is why the creed says that "he will come again to judge the living and the dead."

The novel invention of his return to take out all of the believers from the world before the coming period of tribulation is just that - an invention.


**Belief in this fairy tale has only been around for about 175 years. Most historians point to John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish evangelist, as the Father of this unbiblical belief. **
He is also known as the “Father of modern Dispensationalism”.

**Before the 1800’s, every Protestant denomination agreed with the Catholic Church that this event of ****being *****“caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” *****would occur simultaneously ****with the ****Second Coming of Christ. **

**Like many other aberrant pseudo-Christian teachings, belief in the Rapture **has become widespread among Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups.
 
from
catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/keyword/rapture

Q:“ Do Catholics believe in the Rapture?

”A: The word Rapture is connected to the Latin word rapiemur, which appears in Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians in the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. It means to be raised up or caught up:

The dead in Christ will rise first
; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:16–17)

Therefore, Catholics believe that those Christians who are still living at the Second Coming of Christ will be gathered together with those who have died in Christ to be forever with the Lord. Catholics do not generally use the term Rapture, nor do they believe in a Rapture that will take place some time before the Second Coming, as do many Evangelicals."

Catholic don’t use the term “rapture” but Catholics believe that
The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, “RAPTURED” together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:16–17)

When will it happen is a different discussion; but that " rapiemur" or a " raised up or caught up" will happen is Biblical
 
The Bible speaks of Christ’s return - a 2nd coming. It never refers to a 3rd or 4th coming as Rapture adherents believe. The so-called “Rapture” occurs AT the 2nd coming - the return of Christ.
This is why the creed says that "he will come again to judge the living and the dead."

The novel invention of his return to take out all of the believers from the world before the coming period of tribulation is just that - an invention.

Belief in this fairy tale has only been around for about 175 years. Most historians point to John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish evangelist, as the Father of this unbiblical belief.
He is also known as the “Father of modern Dispensationalism”.

Before the 1800’s, every
Protestant denomination agreed with the Catholic Church that this event of **being *****“caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” ***would occur simultaneously **with the ****Second Coming of Christ. **

**Like many other aberrant **pseudo-Christian teachings, belief in the Rapture has become widespread among Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups.
I’m curious why you belittle a belief by calling it a fairytale.?.? Then you continue your belittling by calling it aberant pseudo teaching.

There is only One Second Coming of Jesus. That is when He literally and Bodily touches down on earth for the Last Battle of Revelation.

The rapture is not a true coming in that Jesus doesn’t touch down on earth. Those ‘caught up’ or ‘raptured’ will meet Jesus in the sky - specifically clouds.
 
Before the 1800’s, every Protestant denomination agreed with the Catholic Church that this event of **being *****“caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” ***would occur simultaneously **with the ****Second Coming of Christ. **
The word ‘simultaneously’ that you use implies two things happening at the same time: in this case the ‘rapture’ and the Second Coming. Looks like you believe in the rapture but your timetable is a little different than mine. So the teaching of the rapture is not a fairytale or aberrant.
 
The word ‘simultaneously’ that you use implies two things happening at the same time: in this case the ‘rapture’ and the Second Coming. Looks like you believe in the rapture but your timetable is a little different than mine. So the teaching of the rapture is not a fairytale or aberrant.
The point is, the rapture theory is “adding to the bible”.youtube.com/watch?v=iYdC33Ulh4w
 
so if the discussion is"when" ? consider this:

Q: Is the tribulation the Wrath of God?
Yes : Revelation and other books refer to the Tribulation as the Wrath of God.

Q: Are Believers subject to the Wrath of God?
A: No

Romans 5:9* Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ**.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 …and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him."*

So when God’s Warth is poured upon the earth: where are the believers?
 
When the bible says that the coming of the son of man is “like the days of Noah”, do you believe that fully or half way? In the days of Noah, the evil were swept away, not the good. Catholics believe what the bible says fully, not partially. The coming of Jesus will be " like the days of Noah". Not partially, not almost, but fully. The good will be left. “The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.” (1 Thess. 4:16–17)
 
The people alive during the days of Noah were warned and warned of the coming flood. They refused to believe it. It was too fantastic to believe. Heck, they had never even seen rain, less a flood.

They were warned that the time of the end was coming. To watch for it. To prepare for it.

Did they listen? no.

Just like today.
 
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