Big Bang

[JDaniel]

So, how about the second part. Do you think we’d notice?

Prodgl:

I was being facetious.in my earlier post. But, yes, I think we’d notice. If the clock was really running backward, all sorts of impossible things would occur. Everything we ever ate might leach out of our cells, back into our intestines and stomachs, and then out of our mouths onto the plates we ate from, then any effects from heating the stuff would depart and the stuff might reconfigure itself at the grocery stores, until finally reconfiguring itself in the farm yard. That’s as good a conjecture as any other.

I don’t think time can run backward unless God wishes it so. But then, I don’t think he’d do it as a roll-back. I think he’d do it instantly. And that would be called “annihilation.”

God bless,
jd

 

[JDaniel]

If time is motion, and motion can go forwards and backwards.

Hello, Pig:

I don’t think “time” is “motion.” I think “time” is a correlate of “motion.” I think both are not only real, in a sense, but also, reifications, in a greater sense. Otherwise, we would both be pondering, then not-pondering, then pondering, etc., etc!

God bless,
jd

 

[pig]

Hello, Pig:

I don’t think “time” is “motion.” I think “time” is a correlate of “motion.” I think both are not only real, in a sense, but also, reifications, in a greater sense. Otherwise, we would both be pondering, then not-pondering, then pondering, etc., etc!

God bless,
jd

exactly JDaniel, if you think of time as perpendicular to motion, the motion forward or backward does not matter, as both are possible. Time is separate, imaginary, whether motion goes. There is an imaginary future and past time but motion is independent of time.
Think of time as a multitude of possible outcomes, motion moves through all possible outcomes in an independent perpendicular way.
Whichever choice the motion chooses in the end has a determined outcome because its time has been determined.
How I choose to see it is like a string with a loop and a horrible knot, two hands pull at either string end, that is time. Motion is the knot and loop, it moves perpendicularly to time through almost infinite strings of possible outcomes.
Therefore motion in itself cannot move backwards or forward in time but only perpendicularly through possible ultimate outcomes.
An eternal being, without time, holds all the strings of time, and see all the different possible outcomes at once as motion moves between stings of possibilities.
So we, as motions moving, are not actually moving forward in time, nor backwards in time, but perpendicular to time through almost infinite possibilities.
Only to death of motion, or the dimensionless end of being, finally decides the state of being of a consciousness. A consciousness can decide independently a type of string of being for itself.
So we are neither moving forwards nor backwards in time but choose our final state by choosing between perpendicular possibilities as we ‘motion’ our selves.

 

[pig]

Hello, Pig:

I don’t think “time” is “motion.” I think “time” is a correlate of “motion.” I think both are not only real, in a sense, but also, reifications, in a greater sense. Otherwise, we would both be pondering, then not-pondering, then pondering, etc., etc!

God bless,
jd

exactly JDaniel, if you think of time as perpendicular to motion, the motion forward or backward does not matter, as both are possible. Time is separate, imaginary, whether motion goes. There is an imaginary future and past time but motion is independent of time.
Think of time as a multitude of possible outcomes, motion moves through all possible outcomes in an independent perpendicular way.
Whichever choice the motion chooses in the end has a determined outcome because its time has been determined.
How I choose to see it is like a string with a loop and a horrible knot, two hands pull at either string end, that is time. Motion is the knot and loop, it moves perpendicularly to time through almost infinite strings of possible outcomes.
Therefore motion in itself cannot move backwards or forward in time but only perpendicularly through possible ultimate outcomes.
An eternal being, without time, holds all the strings of time, and see all the different possible outcomes at once as motion moves between stings of possibilities.
So we, as motions moving, are not actually moving forward in time, nor backwards in time, but perpendicular to time through almost infinite possibilities.
Only to death of motion, or the dimensionless end of being, finally decides the state of being of a consciousness. A consciousness can decide independently a type of string of being for itself.
So we are neither moving forwards nor backwards in time but choose our final state by choosing between perpendicular possibilities as we ‘motion’ our selves.

 

[JDaniel]

exactly JDaniel, if you think of time as perpendicular to motion, the motion forward or backward does not matter, as both are possible. Time is separate, imaginary, whether motion goes. There is an imaginary future and past time but motion is independent of time.
Think of time as a multitude of possible outcomes, motion moves through all possible outcomes in an independent perpendicular way.
Whichever choice the motion chooses in the end has a determined outcome because its time has been determined.
How I choose to see it is like a string with a loop and a horrible knot, two hands pull at either string end, that is time. Motion is the knot and loop, it moves perpendicularly to time through almost infinite strings of possible outcomes.
Therefore motion in itself cannot move backwards or forward in time but only perpendicularly through possible ultimate outcomes.
An eternal being, without time, holds all the strings of time, and see all the different possible outcomes at once as motion moves between stings of possibilities.
So we, as motions moving, are not actually moving forward in time, nor backwards in time, but perpendicular to time through almost infinite possibilities.
Only to death of motion, or the dimensionless end of being, finally decides the state of being of a consciousness. A consciousness can decide independently a type of string of being for itself.
So we are neither moving forwards nor backwards in time but choose our final state by choosing between perpendicular possibilities as we ‘motion’ our selves.

Pig:

Whew! I view it a tad more simply. Regardless of whether the motion of a mobile being is forward-directed or backward-directed, it is always going forward. A man going forward, then backward, is still aging in a forward direction. Besides, he knows which direction he is going - usually. I think what you mean by “perpendicular” is similar to what I mean by “forward.”

An angel is eternal, yet has a beginning. Nothing more can be said of angelic duration other than that from the moment of its creation, it is eternal.

Motion is always forward-directed. It is the act of the potential precisely as potential. It is always traversing from potency to act, from start to finish, from beginning to ending. We are mobile creatures. We have the propensity for local motion because we have parts that can propel us. But, we cannot go backward in time.

Time is neither in the mind nor outside of it. Time is a relation between the mind and motion. It is in the mind relating itself to motion, i.e., recognizing motion by numbering it.

Well, maybe it’s not so simple after all.

God bless,
jd