Big cultural problem for LDS church in America

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The LDS church in America is very one sided culturaly. There are not many African Americans in the LDS church, this creates a theological problem. Church heavily teaches marriage inside the church as that is the only way to get married in an LDS temple. However if you are African American and you convert to the LDS church you will eventualy realize that in order to marry in a LDS temple you almost have to completely give up on the idea of marrying a member of your own race!!!

Yes African American LDS christians ( I have spoken to several) many of them give up on marrying in there church at all because there isnt anyone culturaly like them. true there may be 2 or 3 others but that would be your only 3 choices for marriage if you were attracted to African Americans. Some have interacial marriage which there is nothing wrong with if that is there choice not something they had to do because there is such a lack of diversity in the LDS church.

In the LDS church marriage is a big deal as it is a part of spiritual progresion in the LDS church. So it is a big deal if an African American converts because they would normaly not know this, and they will eventualy find out that they are in a church that it could be very difficult to find things in common with people becaulse they could fall into the “one black guy in the church category.”

The people in the church are normaly very friendly and the church is very active. The social network of the church is amazing in that members normaly are close nit. There are many good things to say about the church. The problem is that it could be among the most culturaly one sided churches in America.

Which is to bad since Christ died for us all
 
**+ I posted this on another thread . . . thought it might help here . . . **
Jesus_123 said:
  • … I was raised as a child in the heart of “Mormon” country here in the United States … Though I knew many Mormons as friends in school and our neighborhood . . . their belief system is known to Catholics and Protestants alike essentially as a CULT . . . and it is an immensely large one . . . and their understandings, definitions and usage of the same religious and scriptural words are RADICALLY different . . .
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excaliber said:
The LDS church in America is very one sided culturaly. There are not many African Americans in the LDS church, this creates a theological problem. Church heavily teaches marriage inside the church as that is the only way to get married in an LDS temple. However if you are African American and you convert to the LDS church you will eventualy realize that in order to marry in a LDS temple you almost have to completely give up on the idea of marrying a member of your own race!!!

Yes African American LDS christians ( I have spoken to several) many of them give up on marrying in there church at all because there isnt anyone culturaly like them. true there may be 2 or 3 others but that would be your only 3 choices for marriage if you were attracted to African Americans. Some have interacial marriage which there is nothing wrong with if that is there choice not something they had to do because there is such a lack of diversity in the LDS church.

In the LDS church marriage is a big deal as it is a part of spiritual progresion in the LDS church. So it is a big deal if an African American converts because they would normaly not know this, and they will eventualy find out that they are in a church that it could be very difficult to find things in common with people becaulse they could fall into the “one black guy in the church category.”

The people in the church are normaly very friendly and the church is very active. The social network of the church is amazing in that members normaly are close nit. There are many good things to say about the church. The problem is that it could be among the most culturaly one sided churches in America.

Which is to bad since Christ died for us all
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It sounds like you are proposing that they artificially diversify their group. I’m a big fan of natural diversity, but I’m not a fan of choosing spouses or friends based on shallow or forced traits. Artificial diversity seems to be prejudicial for reasons other than character.
 
excaliber said:
… if you are African American and you convert to the LDS church you will eventualy realize that in order to marry in a LDS temple you almost have to completely give up on the idea of marrying a member of your own race!!!..
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In my view, being married to someone of a different religion would likely pose more problems for a marriage than being married to someone of a different race. Giving up on the idea that race is hugely important is probably a good thing for many people. Your marriage ultimately will be to one specific person - whatever race or religion - it’s a very specific act, to actively love that one individual for the rest of your life.

As to Mormons, I would expect that the proportion of African Americans varies according to geography - areas of the country that have more African Americans also likely have more African American Mormons, no? The problem may not be as severe as you suggest.
 
For years the Mormons taught that Blacks could not go to heaven and could not be members of the “church”. Wonder why there is so few black members?
 
ciero said:
For years the Mormons taught that Blacks could not go to heaven and could not be members of the “church”. Wonder why there is so few black members?
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Because the priest hood is everything in the LDS church. blacks could not hold the priesthood which is something every male member has even as a child.

I think there are so few black members because it would be like being the only black person in a large amish community. The LDS church is a community not just a church so why would being the one black guy in any large community attract African Americans?

your friends and family would think you were crazy and you would have to marry interacialy, and that is assuming someone was interested in a member of a different culture. dosent sound fun… i can see African Americans beeting down the door to get in lol
 
… When answering the charge of whether the Mormons worship a different Jesus than the other Christian denominations, the former head of the Mormon church, Gordon B. Hinckley, stated that THEY DID [worship a different Jesus],
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That is false.

If GBH said that we worship “a different Jesus,” I will eat my underwear.
excaliber said:
Because the priest hood is everything in the LDS church. blacks could not hold the priesthood which is something every male member has even as a child.
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Now that is true. What happened to blacks in the LDS church under Brigham Young and for 100 years afterward, was far worse than what Catholics would think of as denied access to the priesthood.
I think there are so few black members
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That’s actually not true. The church is growing much faster in Africa than in the United States.
because it would be like being the only black person in a large amish community.
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Are there any black Amish? That’s a cute joke, but has no connection to reality.
The LDS church is a community not just a church so why would being the one black guy in any large community attract African Americans?
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You should probably ask a black LDS person that. Darius Grey has written considerably on the subject, and since much of it is critical, you will probably find some of it taken out of context in various anti-mormon tracts.
your friends and family would think you were crazy and you would have to marry interacialy
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That’s true. There’s a lot of pressure against a black person joining the LDS church, and it’s also true that lots of black American LDS folks end up marrying white LDS people. What’s wrong with “interracial” marriage? Don’t you believe that we’re all children of God? I had not heard that the Catholic church disapproved “interracial” marriage. Does it, or is that just your opinion, Excaliber?
 
Umm, honestly, who cares if the LDS is primarily White? What’s so bad about that?
 
So now I am sure we will testimony another mormon contorsionism.

Like it is the same Jesus but the other Christians lost his true original message or something like that that personally I don’t care since the starting question was clear and was about if their prophet GBH ever stated it was a different Jesus.

It strange how mormons are uncapable of admitting somthing like that.
They would love us to say: it is the same Jesus but we (Ortodox or Roman Catholic or…) we got all wrong since we didn’t receive the true Jesus message.
In any case not the same message not the same Jesus and expecially their prophet sated that.
 
twopekinguys said:
Would you like some salt and pepper?

"President Gordon B. Hinckley, responding to a question regarding whether Latter-day Saints believe in the “traditional Christ,” stated: “No I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”

fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Worship_different_Jesus
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That is absolutely not the same thing as what you said he said.

We worship the Christ of the Bible. And most Christians do the same. Even most Catholics I know get their understanding of Jesus more from the Bible than from extrabiblical traditions. It’s especially ironic to see the Solo Scritura fiends contorting themselves to make Christianity all about “tradition” rather than about the Bible when redefining Christianity to exclude mormons.
 
Cowboy_Pete said:
That is absolutely not the same thing as what you said he said.

We worship the Christ of the Bible. And most Christians do the same. Even most Catholics I know get their understanding of Jesus more from the Bible than from extrabiblical traditions. It’s especially ironic to see the Solo Scritura fiends contorting themselves to make Christianity all about “tradition” rather than about the Bible when redefining Christianity to exclude mormons.
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Mainstream Christians worship the “traditional” Christ, depicted in the Bible. However, GBH made it quite clear that at least he didn’t worship the “traditional” Christ.

If he wasn’t stating that he was worshiping a different Christ, then why didn’t he simply say he worshiped the same Christ as everyone else?

Instead, he made a definite distinction between the one he worshiped, and the traditional one that everyone else worships.
 
truthsave said:
It strange how mormons are uncapable of admitting somthing like that.
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If you really believe that Truth saves, you will recognize that they took the word “TRADITIONAL” out of the quote for a reason. Taking that term out completely distorts what GBH was saying. I cannot fathom why anyone would take the term “tradition” out of the quote, if not to deceive and to cast mormons in a false light.
 
It’s profoundly disingenuous to pretend that GBH said anything other than we do not accept the Creeds.

I’m a little disgusted at the standards of accuracy by certain posters here. You think that “defending” your faith justifies such distortions?
 
Cowboy_Pete said:
You’ve got to be kidding. Have you watched that video yourself? He does NOT say that we worship a different Jesus. Read what he says after the “some substance” statement.
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Of course I have red it and I stated in one of my answers the same you got your quote from: They would love us to say: it is the same Jesus but we (Ortodox or Roman Catholic or…) we got all wrong since we didn’t receive the true Jesus message.

OK I should have put then true jesus message for the last dispensation?
what does it change? For us any add to the traditional Jesus is not Jesus. There is not an updated Jesus message. If somebody says Jesus updated his message for us Christian is not Jesus.
It is clear now?
You should now for us is like this.
Your prophets in the part you are refering clearly stats that your knowledge of Christ teachings comes through Joseph Smith.
 
Cowboy_Pete said:
It’s profoundly disingenuous to pretend that GBH said anything other than we do not accept the Creeds.

I’m a little disgusted at the standards of accuracy by certain posters here. You think that “defending” your faith justifies such distortions?
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Make it clear at least for me.

I am not defending my faith.
I say I have a faith in the traditional Jesus Christ and the traditional Jesus Christ is not the updated version revelated by Joseph Smith.
**I don’t want to justify but to separate me and my faith from mormonism **and make clear what has to be clear and expecially not to be tought we have a common theological ground since we don’t have it.
The traditional Christ as seen by Orthodox (then the other can say if for them is the same or not) and his message is different from the mormon one. Stop.

Distortions? Is a fantasious statement. At least for a mormon talking about distortion is a big, very big word to use. But of course you can use it! Nothing against your freedom.
So don’t be against my perceived by you distortions, if you are capable of.
 
Cowboy_Pete said:
That is false.

If GBH said that we worship “a different Jesus,” I will eat my underwear.
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Well, Cowboy Pete, I’d say start munching away…! (But eat a clean pair of underwear please! 🍿 😉

Please read the following: added emphasis mine

President Gordon B. Hinckley clarified, “[Many] have said we are not Christians. ‘Mormons are not Christians,’ they say; they do not believe in the traditional Christ.** No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak**” (Church News, January, 1999; also June 20, p.7). A different Christ!

LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie taught that Christians have “a mythical Christ” (Mormon Doctrine, p.269). That means we must decide which faith has the real Christ because somebody clearly has a mythical Christ. Do these faiths have the same Jesus? No, if you read the LDS Ensign. It says Christian Churches worship a different Jesus (May 1977, p.26).

So, clearly Mormons do not worship the Christ of the Bible - they worship a “false” Christ, sadly.

God, through Scripture, warned about the “false apostles, deceitful workers” (2 Corinthians 11:13). These come as they “preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached…or another gospel” (verse 4).

Jesus warned, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24). Any wrong Christ is to have the mark of a deceiver.

KJV Gal 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

We know that from J.S.'s own words, he saw an “angel” who preached to him another, false gospel and false Jesus.

Take heed of the Scriptures words!!!
 
Cowboy_Pete said:
If you really believe that Truth saves, you will recognize that they took the word “TRADITIONAL” out of the quote for a reason. Taking that term out completely distorts what GBH was saying. I cannot fathom why anyone would take the term “tradition” out of the quote, if not to deceive and to cast mormons in a false light.
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The quote from fair, which I included a link to does have the word “traditional” in it.

Again why did he make a distinction between the “traditional” Christ, and the one that he, or the lds worship?

Bon Apetit’
 
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