Biggest Change in New Liturgy

[NewEnglandPriest]

FWIW,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

So, yes, the original Greek of the Creed is “we” but liturgically “I” has been traditionally used.

 

[ProVobis]

Meanwhile, the Coptic Church uses the plural.

copticchurch.net/topics/liturgy/liturgy_of_st_basil.pdf

Here are some other examples. Note some languages don’t use any pronoun as the first person singular or plural is part of the verb so it’s not that noticeable.

exomni.narod.ru/credo/credoframeset.htm

 

[DebChris]

You really should stop presenting your opinions as Gospel truths in this fashion. It’s quite misleading. Projectors, especially movie projectors, were banned in 1958 for use in church, but this prohibition was not written into the 1983 CIC, the rubrics of the modern Mass, or the present norms for church construction and activities, and it has never been restated in any way. One interpretation of the present state of affairs is that it is still “in force,” although even then it is quite telling that in the face of fairly widespread practice to the contrary the authorities of the Church have shown no interest whatsoever in dusting off this prohibition and enforcing it. Another interpretation is that the later promulgation and adoption of comprehensive sets of norms regulating sacred spaces and sacred functions which omit this provision are to be taken as indicating its lapse.

To simply say “the church does not allow it,” without explaining that this is from a 1958 ruling which has fallen into complete desuetude, is irresponsible and confusing. I would even go further and say that you are wrong in your phrasing: “the church” does allow it. The evidence for this is in the countless instances in which the Church has, in fact, allowed it. Whether the law allows it is a different question (and one without a clear-cut answer), but the law is the servant of the Church, not vice versa. When the Church ignores a regulation and permits it to fall into desuetude, that must be taken as expressing the mind of the Church.

Oh, and please note that that provision of DMS&SL is not just talking about during the Mass, but at any time whatsoever. If the provision were still in force, using a projector would be forbidden even during “pious, religious, or charitable” activities, not to mentioned educational or catechetical activities, going on inside a Church. Do you suppose that that is the present mind of the Church?

Thanks. There is a thread that covers the use of technology during Mass. I was going to suggest that comments regarding projectors, etc. be moved to that thread so as not to sidetrack this one.

 

[LSG]

There already is a sense of limited salvation even in the current translation. The next clause reads, “So that sins may be forgiven.” The key word here is “may.” It doesn’t say that all sins will be forgiven, and so not all will be granted salvation. Everyone is offered salvation, yes, to be sure, but not everyone accepts salvation. The “for all” part doesn’t mean that everyone will be granted salvation, but people seem to overlook the next clause, and think that it is.

People are getting all bent out of shape because the new phrase will be “for many” instead of “for all,” as if it changes the meaning. It doesn’t. There already is a sense of limited salvation, but people just don’t realize it because they hear that “all” thus thinking otherwise, without giving thought to the next clause.

The Latin phrase reads “pro multis.” “Pro” certainly does mean “for,” but “multis” certainly does not mean “all.” “Multis” means, as ProVobis posted, something more along the lines of “multitudes,” and ICEL chose to translate it as “many.” Either way, the limited sense of salvation is preserved, whereas in the current translation, it is still, but people hear “all” and think it means that everyone will be granted salvation. Not so. As I said, everyone is offered salvation, but not everyone accepts the offer.

Our Priest gave a beautiful explanation about this durin his homily on Sunday.

 

[iloveangels]

Can someone please tell me what will be the biggest change coming up in the new liturgy?
I can’t seem to make heads or tails out of it! Thanks!

Linda, the peoples’ parts aren’t going to change very much. It’s mostly the priest’s parts that will change.

One of the most noticeable parts for the people will be saying “And with your spirit” instead of “And also with you.” There are also some changes in the Creed and a few others throughout the text. You can get a “PEW CARD” from a Catholic bookstore or from one of the Catholic stores online to help you with those. And actually, I think if you snoop around online, you can get a pew card for free! Google “free pew card” and take your pick! Then just print it off and there you are.

mc

 

[iloveangels]

The New Liturgy is only for the States?
Never heard of it, though.

No, for all the English speaking countries. There are quite a few of them.

mc