Biggest Myths About Traditional Catholics

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Couldn’t have said it better myself. You like the NO, fine, I don’t begrudge you your preferences. Why don’t I and peoplle like me deserve the same considerations?
You read me wrong. 1. My family is a Tridentine Mass family. 2. Note to whomever stated that I thought the Host was not consecrated: The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue. We, no matter how much “hoopla” anyone wants to go through are not priests! If you want if put plainer, I’ll use my husband’s words, “the Host is not trick or treat candy and shouldn’t be handed out at such.”
 
Please tell me you’re not trusting your conduct at Mass to English rubrics! :eek:

Hopefully someone can point out where all this business of “congregational participation” is to be found in the Missale Romanum or another document properly altering the liturgy of the Mass, rather than just in some hand missal. And when was this behavior introduced into the Mass? On whose authority? The whole “dialogue Mass” seems to be a recent innovation from people in the 20s and 30s who were unsatisfied with the Mass as it had been handed down since Gregory the Great. I’m not sure what to think about that.
Mostly I do what everyone else does 😛
By the way, anima ≠ “servant.”
Sorry, I just copied and pasted the verse, I forgot it’s modified, wasn’t thinking, sorry.
 
MYTH ALERT:
COLOR The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue.
 
I’ve always found lines for Confession, so I guess that’s why I wasn’t relating. My priest mentioned that between all those entering the Church and the normal requirements of Holy Week, he put in thirty hour in the confessional. Obviously Holy Week is an exception of course, but Confession is a major part of our parish life.
I was referring only to parish priests like the one mentioned in the post. There certainly are good NO priests.
 
You read me wrong. 1. My family is a Tridentine Mass family. 2. Note to whomever stated that I thought the Host was not consecrated: The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue. We, no matter how much “hoopla” anyone wants to go through are not priests! If you want if put plainer, I’ll use my husband’s words, “the Host is not trick or treat candy and shouldn’t be handed out at such.”
Although Communion in the hand is not unknown throughout Church history, using Communion on the tongue exclusively is a good practice.

After all, the priest washes his hands (Lavabo me…) before consecrating the Host and he genuflects whenever he picks up or sets down the Sacrament. The crumbs are carefully collected with the paten underneath the Host, poured into the Chalice and drunk by the priest and the purificator is used to wipe down the Chalice.

All this care is taken to show reverence to Our Lord on the Altar, then it is okay for some laywoman to hand out the Elements in a buffet line? There is a disconnect here, even in the New Rite.
 
The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue.
Sorry, but the Catholic Church disagrees with you.

So, do you think that even the Deacon should not distribute Communion, since his hands are not consecrated at his ordination?
 
That wasn’t the question I asked. I would prefer to be as full of grace at all times as possible, but I am not. There has been no time, ever, that I believe I was in a state worthy of receiving the Lord. * Lord I am not worthy to receive you… etc. *

Do TLM Catholics think they are holy enough to earn the right to the Eucharist???
No, at least I try to take advantage of the gift of the Sacrament of Confession to make me as clean as is possible. By the amount of people who go to Confession in my area and the amount of them that pile up the aisle to receive,and then immediately leave the church afterwards, I think that there’s a huge disconnect between the two. So many of today’s Catholics do not even believe in the real Presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist, if many poll are to be believed. That really breaks my heart.:sad_yes:
 
Speaking for myself, absolutely not. We may say “non sum dignus” instead “I am not worthy” but it means the same thing.

But that really is not what the poster you are replying to meant. He was talking about the need for Confession. It is because we know that we are not holy enough that we want God’s help to make us more fit to receive Him.
You got it:thumbsup:
 
You read me wrong. 1. My family is a Tridentine Mass family. 2. Note to whomever stated that I thought the Host was not consecrated: The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue. We, no matter how much “hoopla” anyone wants to go through are not priests! If you want if put plainer, I’ll use my husband’s words, “the Host is not trick or treat candy and shouldn’t be handed out at such.”
I was basically referring to others on this site who always tend to beliitle anyone who is a
Traditionalist. If you took offense, all I can say is mea culpa, mea culp mea maxima culpa! 🙂
 
No, at least I try to take advantage of the gift of the Sacrament of Confession to make me as clean as is possible.
That’s great! For now, just stick with yourself. Saint Francis didn’t reform the Church by going after everyone in sight, but by converting himself first.
 
Sorry, but the Catholic Church disagrees with you.

So, do you think that even the Deacon should not distribute Communion, since his hands are not consecrated at his ordination?
The deacon is, of course, the Ordinary Minister of Holy Eucharist and this is a universal practice. What is not a universal practice, however, is EMHCs and this is troubling, especially in conjunction with Communion in the hand.
 
I want to try this out.

It seems that some “Traditionalists” believe that there is some sort of organic linkage from the Last Supper to the EF Mass.

How can they believe this?

Do the rite of the other Catholic Churches also have an organic linkage to the Last Supper or is this just more Latin triumphalism?
 
I want to try this out.

It seems that some “Traditionalists” believe that there is some sort of organic linkage from the Last Supper to the EF Mass.

How can they believe this?

Do the rite of the other Catholic Churches also have an organic linkage to the Last Supper or is this just more Latin triumphalism?
Though, that might be better than the “traditionalists” who think that on Holy Thursday Jesus said a solemn High Mass according the Missal of Saint Pius V. I guess it takes all kinds. 🤷
 
The deacon is, of course, the Ordinary Minister of Holy Eucharist and this is a universal practice. What is not a universal practice, however, is EMHCs and this is troubling, especially in conjunction with Communion in the hand.
The comment was that the Eucharist was defiled by touching the hands of one who didn’t have said hands consecrated via ordination. As you note, the Deacon is an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion, but his hands are not consecrated at ordination. Therefore, I ask how the two are reconciled?
 
That’s great! For now, just stick with yourself. Saint Francis didn’t reform the Church by going after everyone in sight, but by converting himself first.
I know, I know, I know!!! But it still breaks my heart withe the cavalier attitude others seem to have for Our Lord in the Eucharist! Am I not entitled to voice my opinion because I consider myself a traditionalist? :confused:
 
A previous poster made a good point: If the priest takes great care with handling the host and the particles and then a laywoman hands it to another person in the queue, what’s going on?
 
Though, that might be better than the “traditionalists” who think that on Holy Thursday Jesus said a solemn High Mass according the Missal of Saint Pius V. I guess it takes all kinds. 🤷
One of the problems of the modernist liturgists (as with the Protestants) is that they believe that we are trying to re-create the Last Supper. That is not what the Mass is about. To wit:

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger said:
[T]
he progressives [say] that with the traditional form of celebrating the Mass the Church has strayed far from the original intentions of the Lord. The Lord, they say, held a simple meal of fellowship with his disciples, and he said: “Do this in remembrance of me!” But it is precisely this that the Church does not do, they say; rather, she has made of it yet another sacral cultic ritual; she has reworked the whole thing into the Mass, has surrounded it with richly decorated cathedrals and with an imposing and sublime Liturgy, and has thus altered beyond recognition the simple nature of what Jesus commanded us to do.

Jesus did not, it is said, cal for any kind of cult of liturgy, but just an everyday meal of fellowship, when he said: “Do this!” Plausible though this objection may seem, as soon as we listen more carefully to Holy Scripture and refuse to be satisfied with superficialities, it becomes clear to us that it is untrue. For Jesus did not command his disciples to repeat the Last Supper as such and as a whole; this would in any case not have been possible, as it was a Passover meal. But Passover is an annual festival, with a quite specific date in the lunar calendar, which comes around just once a year. No more than I can keep Christmas whenever I feel like it can the Passover just be continually repeated. Jesus did not give the command to repeat, as a whole, this Jewish liturgy that he had kept with his people – this, as we said, would have been impossible. His command to repeat something referred to the new element he was presenting to them, to his gift of himself, which he had instituted within the old setting of the worship of Israel. we are thus presented with the essential element, but it has not yet found a new Christian form. Not until the moment when, through the Cross and the Resurrection and the story that followed, the Church emerged from within Israel as an independent community could this new gift find its own new form.

Jewish worship had two elements. One was the sacrificial worship in the Temple, where in accordance with what the law prescribed the various sacrifices were offered. Side by side with this Temple worship, which took place, and could only take place, in Jerusalem, a second element was steadily developing: the synagogue, which could be set up anywhere. Here the service of the word was celebrated, the Holy Scriptures were read, the Psalms were sung, people joined in praising God, hearing the Word of God interpreted, and making petitions to God. After the Resurrection of Jesus, his followers ceased to take part in the sacrificial cult in the Temple. They could no longer do so, for the curtain in the Temple was torn, that is, the Temple was empty. It was no longer that stone building that was the Temple, but the Lord, who had opened a way for the Father, from himself, into humanity. In place of the Temple there is the Eucharist, since Christ is the true Pascal Lamb; everything that ever took place in the Temple has been fulfilled in him.

The basic Christian worship, as we keep it up to the present day in the Church’s Eucharist, was thereby completed. It looks like this: At the beginning is the service of the Word, consisting of readings from the Old and New Testaments, songs from the Psalms, new prayers, and the joyous greeting of the Lord, the Kyrie, which is the transformation of the ancient cry of homage to the emperor into the cry in homage to Christ as the true Lord of the world. There follows the eucharistic worship itself, … the Canon, as an inclusive “Sacrifice of the Word”, grew directly out of the prayer of Israel and of Jesus, given substance now with the narrative and action from the Last Supper as its new heart and also with Holy Communion. Thus, out of the inner logic of Jesus’ giving of himself, the shape of the Mass sprang. It developed without any break, as the fulfillment of the original command; and now that it had completed this development, it stood open to receive the wealth of the Temple, the wealth of the nations.

Those attempts to tell us that we should “get back” to a simple profane meal, to multipurpose areas and so on, are only in appearance a return to the origins. In reality, they are a step back behind the turning point of the Cross and the Resurrection, that is, behind the essentials that are the basis for Christianity in all its novelty. This is not restoring the original state, but abandoning the mystery of Easter and, thereby, the very center of the mystery of Christ.

The Last Supper is only one aspect of the Mass ~ the elements and the words of institution. Most of the Mass regards Jewish Temple and Synagogue worship re-formulated in a Christian context.
 
You read me wrong. 1. My family is a Tridentine Mass family. 2. Note to whomever stated that I thought the Host was not consecrated: The Host IS consecrated but becomes defiled when it goes into the hand of a non-priest. A priest’s hands are consecrated at ordination. In order to recieve the Host undefiled it has to go from the priest’s hand to our tongue. We, no matter how much “hoopla” anyone wants to go through are not priests! If you want if put plainer, I’ll use my husband’s words, “the Host is not trick or treat candy and shouldn’t be handed out at such.”
I totally agree with you that the laity has no place distributing the Eucharist EXCEPT for instances which are extraordinary for that parish. If the parish has 500 communicants at each Mass, then that is ordinary for that congregation. I’ve gotten replies to my messages about this telling me that the Masses would "run into one another, the parking lots couldn’t be emptied in time, etc. None of these “reasons” are acceptable. The Mass schedule should be changed if need be, as nothing is as important as perserving holiness within our Mass. AND if these Masses last an hr. & a half, the worshippers WILL survive. Most Sunday Masses that I attended before the council lasted 1 & 1/2 hrs. When the congregation became too large, another parish was built. Impossible you say??? Not enough priests??

Perhaps if the laity quit usurping their duties & their charisms, there would be enough priests.

This “blending” of the laity & the ordained clergy has led to nothing but a loss of the sense of the sacred & the abuse of EXTRAordinary Eucharistic Ministers is horrible. Lay people are actually scheduled, now. 😦
 
I totally agree with you that the laity has no place distributing the Eucharist EXCEPT for instances which are extraordinary for that parish. If the parish has 500 communicants at each Mass, then that is ordinary for that congregation. I’ve gotten replies to my messages about this telling me that the Masses would "run into one another, the parking lots couldn’t be emptied in time, etc. None of these “reasons” are acceptable. The Mass schedule should be changed if need be, as nothing is as important as perserving holiness within our Mass. AND if these Masses last an hr. & a half, the worshippers WILL survive. Most Sunday Masses that I attended before the council lasted 1 & 1/2 hrs. When the congregation became too large, another parish was built. Impossible you say??? Not enough priests??

Perhaps if the laity quit usurping their duties & their charisms, there would be enough priests.

This “blending” of the laity & the ordained clergy has led to nothing but a loss of the sense of the sacred & the abuse of EXTRAordinary Eucharistic Ministers is horrible. Lay people are actually scheduled, now. 😦
If I might add, it would be helpful if some priests would quit blurring the lines. Just as one example: an assistant pastor at a local parish continually preaches from the pulpit that the consecration of the Holy Eucharist takes place during the epiclesis giving the people the impression that they are co-consecrators with the priest. Any properly catechised Catholic knows that the consecration occurs when the priest alone pray the words of consecration.
 
The comment was that the Eucharist was defiled by touching the hands of one who didn’t have said hands consecrated via ordination. As you note, the Deacon is an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion, but his hands are not consecrated at ordination. Therefore, I ask how the two are reconciled?
The deacon is the ordinary minister of the Blood. If the cup is to be administered, and deacons are present, they do so. They are also charged to distribute the Body when needed, but if both Body and Blood are distributed, the deacon is to take the cup.

Priests are the ordinary minister of the Body.
If the Blood is not distributed, the deacons may assist in the distribution of the body, and may even fraction further the hosts as needed in cases of insufficient numbers of hosts.

When present, subdeacons are the next choice… but there are almost no Roman subdeacons. And they may fill either role, but may not fraction.

Ordained Acolytes and Instituted Acolytes are the next choice. Again, they may fill either role, but may not fraction.

Appointed laymen may also be called as a last choice; Again, they may fill either role, but may not fraction, nor may they purificate the vessels.
 
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