Bilingual Mass?

[ProVobis]

No , I mean was we can when we all understand the words.

Where is the challenge and mystery in that?

But seriously, does everyone understand what “consubstantial” means? Or “and with your spirit” for that matter? Probably not, but it’s in English so everything must be okay.

Yet, there is more Latin on a $1 US bill than in a typical Mass and I’m sure everyone understands a $1 bill. With the Mass, I’m not so sure.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Where is the challenge and mystery in that?

But seriously, does everyone understand what “consubstantial” means? Or “and with your spirit” for that matter? Probably not, but it’s in English so everything must be okay.

Google is amazing. It tells you things that you don’t know. Wanna know how I became Catholic? You can thank the great Google.

 

[ProVobis]

Google is amazing. It tells you things that you don’t know. Wanna know how I became Catholic? You can thank the great Google.

You mean, the god of the 21st century?

Want to know why the translator fails?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

You mean, the god of the 21st century?

Want to know why the translator fails?

I don’t use google translate. It failed me in French class. Lol.

I type in what I want to know plus catholic and well, it usually leads me here. Hahaha.

 

[El_PAso]

The homily is usually a mixture of both. The Bishop actually does an amazing job of this, mixing the two languages. I’m surprised that it works, but it does.

YEA!

I have experienced this where the priest alternates each thought, Spanish to English back and forth. You’d think it’d be confusing but it works and keeps your attention.

EP

 

[otjm]

I’m glad to hear that! I don’t consider myself a “rad-trad” by any means, but I think an element of universality was lost when Novus Ordo became the ordinary form. My parish has three weekend Masses. Saturday night vigil is populated by old white folk. Sunday morning has the young white families. Sunday afternoon is in Espanol and is populated by all the Hispanics. If we celebrated the extraordinary form, it would be easier to integrate my self-segregated parish.

That presumes several issues; one, that people want a Mass all in Latin; second, that the Hispanic population is attending the evening Mass solely on the issue of language - many, if not most can at lest get by in English; but culture is important. Cultural parishes are well known throughout the US, even though their “native tongue” may actually be second to English.

 

[otjm]

You mean back when Italians went to the Italian parish, Mexicans went to the Mexican parish, Poles went to the Polish parish, the Portuguese went to the Portuguese parish, Germans went to the German parish and everybody else went to the Irish parish, even though the Mass was in Latin?

Thanks for making one of my points.

 

[otjm]

Periodically, where there is a gathering of the Archdiocese, the majority of the Mass is in English, but the readings are in Spanish and Vietnamese.

And having been to a goodly number of them, I have never heard anyone say they were confused.

 

[smead2942]

That presumes several issues; one, that people want a Mass all in Latin; second, that the Hispanic population is attending the evening Mass solely on the issue of language - many, if not most can at lest get by in English; but culture is important. Cultural parishes are well known throughout the US, even though their “native tongue” may actually be second to English.

That is a fair assumption. The Hispanic population IS attending the evening Mass only because of the language barrier. Our parish is unbelievably segregated. We have our own committees. Separate religious education programs. Unique fundraisers. It wouldn’t be unrealistic to say there are two parishes in my town-- Sacred Heart and Sagrado Corazon. We can’t advertise Holy Day Masses as bilingual or no one will attend. I’m not exaggerating, either, that’s the sad part. Language plays a TREMENDOUS role in Mass.

 

[OraLabora]

That is a fair assumption. The Hispanic population IS attending the evening Mass only because of the language barrier. Our parish is unbelievably segregated. We have our own committees. Separate religious education programs. Unique fundraisers. It wouldn’t be unrealistic to say there are two parishes in my town-- Sacred Heart and Sagrado Corazon. We can’t advertise Holy Day Masses as bilingual or no one will attend. I’m not exaggerating, either, that’s the sad part. Language plays a TREMENDOUS role in Mass.

In our pastoral unit (several parishes grouped together) we have bilingual Masses at one or two of the churches, one unilingual English Mass and the rest are unilingual French.

But in the nearby city (Granby Quebec), there’s only one English Mass. And in spite of the fact that Granby has many large Catholic churches and that they are even closing several, the English Mass is held in an Anglican church, or at least this was the case a few years ago. It simply boggles the mind that they can’t (couldn’t) have their Mass in one of the many, largely empty, Catholic churches.

In Quebec we call the Anglophones (minority) and Francophones (majority) “the two solitudes”. It certainly is the case in Granby, where the English Catholics seem to feel greater affinity with the English Anglicans than with fellow Francophone Catholics.

 

[ProVobis]

That is a fair assumption. The Hispanic population IS attending the evening Mass only because of the language barrier.

I think they project that within a decade the Hispanic Catholics will be in the majority in the U.S. It’s about 40% of the Catholic population today. It might have been higher had it not been for all the defections to Protestantism. Many study English as a second language but that means enough to do business and form some friendships with, not much else, though the younger generation are becoming a little more English fluent.