Bill Maher: It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think 2nd Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny

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How so? If anything it showed how a tiny group with minute support tied down massive amounts of federal and state resources. Imagine a somewhat popular uprising of thousands of like minded groups. The government would collapse trying to respond in similar fashion.

2 men (only one armed) tied up thousands of federal and state officers and shut down a city for day. Imagine 100 such men with thousands of citizens willing to support them.
  1. In most standoff situations large numbers of resources are involved because they are trying to end it peacefully. If they just stormed the compound it would have been over pretty quickly.
  2. Actually it was one guy that shut the city down, and that was done because it is hard to find one person who is hiding. It is much easier to find 100 that are running through the streets, hut-hut-hutting around, and playing soldier. Lastly, I don’t think you would see the popular support for them that you are assuming, unless there was a real tyrannical takeover, which despite the doom sayers, I don’t think is ever going to happen in my lifetime.
 
Fighting in their own backyard is exactly what the US military would be doing if they took on armed US citizens. So the citizens would not have the same advantage as the Afghans or Vietnamese.
It would be the citizens’ back yard too. Neither side would have an edge in that department.
 
In every war, each side thinks God is on their side.
Voltaire said ‘God is on the side of the big battalions’. That’s not quite true either, but success in war is not any sign of they righteousness of one’s cause, when one looks at excactly who has won various conflicts over the centuries.
 
What, it’s impossible that one or more of these arguments are actually true and they merely aren’t trotted out all at once? Why should they be?

And what about the pro-gun arguments:

‘Background checks will make it harder for me to get a gun’ (but somehow not criminals, because someone who disobeys one law of course will automatically disobey any and every other law as well)

‘Doesn’t matter that other countries somehow manage to combine restrictions on gun ownership with low rates of crime, it’ll never work here’ (you mean the US and its citizens are somehow incapable of learning from countries which are more successful? Of even from events in their own past such as nuclear weapons reductions?)

‘Criminals will still get guns, just like they still get drugs’. Yep, and they cheat on taxes and drive drunk and do all manner of other things as well. The fact remains that we still have laws against these things on the books. And I doubt that God would smile upon us throwing up our hands in the face of all these inevitable evils and making them all legal and simply not even trying to implement laws about them.

I particularly love the poster who said ‘well, mass shootings went down in Australia, so did gun suicide, but rape went up’. Umm, if the two choices are rape or death I for one would certainly rather be raped and still alive, and know that hundreds at least of my fellow countrymen were likewise still alive because of gun restrictions. For me rape, although the idea is extremely traumatic and horrible, is certainly not ‘a fate worse than death’ nor do I see death as in any way preferable.
Even if laws had an impact on criminals with guns, why on earth would anyone who is serious about protecting people want to pass more laws without enforcing current laws?

If you actually cared about the issue, you’d want to do what is most effective and that is enforcement of laws. Passing more legislation may make you feel good, but it doesn’t actually help protect anyone, and that should be our goal.
 
If there ever was a tyranny and the people rose up to fight they would not fight in ways that are militarily strategic. Primarily they would use Guerrilla warfare. (Except a few people who own tanks might put up a good fight)

As history has shown Guerrilla Warfare is a weakness to the American military.

Vietnam War
Afghan War
 
As a Christian pacifist, I don’t believe that we as Christians should worry about an armed revolution or the issue of guns- we should try our best to build the Kingdom here and now, independent of the elitist, phony politics of the morally bankrupt Democrats and the corrupt and hateful Republicans.

We are here to serve Christ, not a party 🙂
 
As a Christian pacifist, I don’t believe that we as Christians should worry about an armed revolution or the issue of guns- we should try our best to build the Kingdom here and now, independent of the elitist, phony politics of the morally bankrupt Democrats and the corrupt and hateful Republicans.

We are here to serve Christ, not a party 🙂
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Absolutely right.

And it took a LONG time … eight years or so.

And the British “secret police” hunted down all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Many of the signers died.

And George Washington lost most of his battles.

And thousands or tens of thousands of Americans were taken prisoner and many died in prisons.

And four times as many American soldiers died of disease than died in battle.

AND, when George Washington retreated from Brooklyn to Manhattan, he was unable to get his troops across the river before dawn, which was when the British were going to attack and annihilate the Americans … and out of nowhere, a sudden FOG arose from the surface of the river … unprecedented … and masked the remaining evacuation.

Divine Intervention?

You decide.
And, ultimately, France saved our bacon.
 
Who decided Bill Maher is some great intellect to be listened to? From what I’ve heard him say, he sounds like a spiteful child.
 
Even if laws had an impact on criminals with guns, why on earth would anyone who is serious about protecting people want to pass more laws without enforcing current laws?

If you actually cared about the issue, you’d want to do what is most effective and that is enforcement of laws. Passing more legislation may make you feel good, but it doesn’t actually help protect anyone, and that should be our goal.
I never said we shouldn’t enforce the laws we have on the books - who says we can’t or shouldn’t better enforce existing law while also bringing in new laws that might make it more difficult for criminals to get guns? We are capable of doing both at the same time no?
 
I never said we shouldn’t enforce the laws we have on the books - who says we can’t or shouldn’t better enforce existing law while also bringing in new laws that might make it more difficult for criminals to get guns? We are capable of doing both at the same time no?
I’m sure you’ve heard the saying “When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.”

Criminals don’t care about gun laws any more than they are about other laws. You pass a law that says a convicted felon may not have a gun and the felon is still going to get one. If he can’t get it legally, he’ll get it illegally.

More laws attempting to restrict criminals access to guns is a waste of time and effort; they are still going to get them.

People say it is better that 100 criminals go free than to let one innocent person get the death penalty. By the same token, I say it would be better to let one criminal have a gun than to let 100 innocent people not be able to defend themselves.
 
As a Christian pacifist, I don’t believe that we as Christians should worry about an armed revolution or the issue of guns- we should try our best to build the Kingdom here and now, independent of the elitist, phony politics of the morally bankrupt Democrats and the corrupt and hateful Republicans.

We are here to serve Christ, not a party 🙂
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Many years ago an untrained rag-tag army of ordinary citizens armed with mostly privately-owned guns took on the most powerful military empire of the day and defeated them. Maybe you’ve heard of this event: It was called the American Revolutionary War.
Well lets not forget Catholic France! Had it not been for France the Union Jack would be flying here. It pains me to write anything good about the french military:)
 
Well lets not forget Catholic France! Had it not been for France the Union Jack would be flying here. It pains me to write anything good about the french military:)
They were different back then, remember, they had an Empire as good as England’s, before they blew it in 1815.

ICXC NIKA
 
Well lets not forget Catholic France! Had it not been for France the Union Jack would be flying here. It pains me to write anything good about the french military:)
And had it not been for the U.S. in 1944, the French would all be speaking German.

I’d say we’re even.
 
I still think that Bill Maher is right on track in his commentary that it’s ridiculous to think that the 2nd Amendment can prevent tyranny in our modern world. Guns give a false sense of power where gun owners feel they are able to defeat tyranny, but in fact, they are basically useless against government forces. Again, Waco is a prime example of this.
 
I still think that Bill Maher is right on track in his commentary that it’s ridiculous to think that the 2nd Amendment can prevent tyranny in our modern world. Guns give a false sense of power where gun owners feel they are able to defeat tyranny, but in fact, they are basically useless against government forces. Again, Waco is a prime example of this.
That is until you actually look at the evidence that proves otherwise.

Waco is a prime example of how weak the government is in the face of armed resistance. Look at the massive amount of manpower, time and money that went into supressing a tiny goup of 19 armed men (the rest were women and children that took no part in the fighting) tied down nearly 1000 federal and state officers and national guardsmen. Imagine if it had been a popular uprising with the support of thousands of armed men and women.
 
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