Bill Maher: It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think 2nd Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny

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SamH said:
That is until you actually look at the evidence that proves otherwise.

Waco is a prime example of how weak the government is in the face of armed resistance. Look at the massive amount of manpower, time and money that went into supressing a tiny goup of 19 armed men (the rest were women and children that took no part in the fighting) tied down nearly 1000 federal and state officers and national guardsmen. Imagine if it had been a popular uprising with the support of thousands of armed men and women.
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If there were not innocent women and children in the Waco compound, the government could easily have handled the situation much more efficiently and quickly. How many of the National Guardsmen were injured or killed?

How could such an uprising get organized in our modern-day society? And, even if some group were to organize it, they would be trapped or shot down in a moment’s instance.
 
Robert_Sock said:
If there were not innocent women and children in the Waco compound, the government could easily have handled the situation much more efficiently and quickly. How many of the National Guardsmen were injured or killed?

How could such an uprising get organized in our modern-day society? And, even if some group were to organize it, they would be trapped or shot down in a moment’s instance.
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Maher doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s had no experience serving in the military, and his opine is nothing more than a political wedge/anti-gun rant. If you (or Maher) think police, or the armed forces would be “shot down in a moment’s instance” by sympathetic Americans, you’re wrong.

The military is sworn to uphold the Constitution, not the government. If the government ceases to be Constitutional, the military will not follow those orders.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers
 
Robert_Sock said:
If there were not innocent women and children in the Waco compound, the government could easily have handled the situation much more efficiently and quickly. How many of the National Guardsmen were injured or killed?

How could such an uprising get organized in our modern-day society? And, even if some group were to organize it, they would be trapped or shot down in a moment’s instance.
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1993 “was” a “modern day society.” Let’s not kid ourselves that we are now fundamentally different.

All the present society has that 1993 didn’t is time wastage on Facebook.

Even armed drones had been used two years earlier in Kuwait.

Methinks also that a crackpot cult out in the bush that no one outside sympathized with, is far different from a mass movement taking to the barricades.

ICXC NIKA
 
Robert_Sock said:
I still think that Bill Maher is right on track in his commentary that it’s ridiculous to think that the 2nd Amendment can prevent tyranny in our modern world. Guns give a false sense of power where gun owners feel they are able to defeat tyranny, but in fact, they are basically useless against government forces. Again, Waco is a prime example of this.
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It is not the armed individual, or small group of individuals that keep tyranny in check; it is the mass populace as a whole that does that. You won’t defeat the government with a coup. You will defeat the government by winning over the hearts and minds of the people and defeat tyranny that way.
 
livingwordunity said:
Here’s a thought. America with the most powerful and advanced military in the world has been unable to defeat the Taliban in a country slightly smaller than Texas after over a decade of fighting them because of primitive tribes with small arms who use gorilla warfare tactics. 🙂
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👍

Boswell
 
Lost_Sheep said:
It is not the armed individual, or small group of individuals that keep tyranny in check; it is the mass populace as a whole that does that. You won’t defeat the government with a coup. You will defeat the government by winning over the hearts and minds of the people and defeat tyranny that way.
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The media alone has the power to control the mindset of the mass populace. Ask yourself: Who really controls the mass media? If you think it’s controlled by CEOs, you’re only partially correct. Who controls the CEOs is the real question? The answer: The CIA.
 
scipio337 said:
The military is sworn to uphold the Constitution, not the government. If the government ceases to be Constitutional, the military will not follow those orders.
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Whoever controls the CIA will control the military and the government.
 
livingwordunity said:
Here’s a thought. America with the most powerful and advanced military in the world has been unable to defeat the Taliban in a country slightly smaller than Texas after over a decade of fighting them because of primitive tribes with small arms who use gorilla warfare tactics. 🙂
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That’s only because we won’t nuke them back to the stone age like we should.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The media alone has the power to control the mindset of the mass populace. Ask yourself: Who really controls the mass media? If you think it’s controlled by CEOs, you’re only partially correct. Who controls the CEOs is the real question? The answer: The CIA.
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OK. We have a conspiracy theorist amongst us. :rolleyes: I’m out.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
That’s only because we won’t nuke them back to the stone age like we should.
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If we – the third most populous nation on the planet – need nuclear weapons to overcome a relative handful of fanatics with small-arms, that doesn’t say anything good about us.

ICXC NIKA
 
Lost_Sheep said:
OK. We have a conspiracy theorist amongst us. :rolleyes: I’m out.
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Where does a conspiracy come into play here? The top secret nature of the CIA places it at the top of all organizations, without people knowing. It’s all planned, and perfectly legal.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
OK. We have a conspiracy theorist amongst us. :rolleyes: I’m out.
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And who controls the CIA? The Bildeberg/NWO/Illuminati. And who controls the Bildeberg/NWO/Illuminati? The FreeMasons.

And who controls the FreeMasons?

SATAN!!!



I guess someone should tell him that the CIA can only operate abroad.

To bring this thread full circle, we have now established that Bill Maher (part of the media) is controlled by the CIA (and Satan!).

Does the CIA have any interest in making you think armed resistance is “ridiculous”?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Where does a conspiracy come into play here? The top secret nature of the CIA places it at the top of all organizations, without people knowing. It’s all planned, and perfectly legal.
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You realize there are intelliegence agencies with higher clearance requirements for employment than the CIA, correct? NSA comes to mind.
 
Julian_Bashir said:
You realize there are intelliegence agencies with higher clearance requirements for employment than the CIA, correct? NSA comes to mind.
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Perhaps I should have said the Department of Defense. Anyway, all key organizations, such as the mass media, are controlled under one umbrella. It’s a most critical component of national security.
 
Robert_Sock said:
If there were not innocent women and children in the Waco compound, the government could easily have handled the situation much more efficiently and quickly. How many of the National Guardsmen were injured or killed?

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Do you think the government “held back” because there were women and children in the compound? Do you happen to recall what happened to those women and children? :rolleyes:
Robert_Sock said:
How could such an uprising get organized in our modern-day society? And, even if some group were to organize it, they would be trapped or shot down in a moment’s instance.
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The organization is already complete.
 
SamH said:
Do you think the government “held back” because there were women and children in the compound? Do you happen to recall what happened to those women and children? :rolleyes:
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Yes, and the women and children died in a fire set by their own rebellious members.
 
SamH said:
That’s one theory.

And even it were correct - why did they end up dead?
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Mass homicide or suicide. Why, are you espousing some kind of a conspiracy theory? If so, I would like to hear it.
 
When it comes to Bill Maher, I think it is important to know who we are dealing with. He is an agnostic, sarcastic, antichrisitan comedian. If an error in the beginning is an error indeed, we need to understand that this man is fraught with errors, steeped in modernity and languishing in the secular.

So let us look at his actually argument. It is hard to delve past his intolerance, prejudice and propaganda, like calling gun owners “nuts” and republicans the lunatic party. But his basic premise is a strawman. He attacks the concept of armed rebellion in the country today. No one is promoting as an argument for gun rights. Pretty much everyone agrees this would be crazy.

I have found yet one more reason I do not waist my time with this unfunny comic.
 
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