Bill Maher: It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think 2nd Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny

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Robert_Sock said:
Mass homicide or suicide. Why, are you espousing some kind of a conspiracy theory? If so, I would like to hear it.
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I’m sure you would love another conspiracy theory.

I am simply pointing out that the government’s actions never showed much concern for the well being of the people in the compound. From their initial “attack” to the cutting off of food and power to the final attack with tanks. The government’s Danforth Report says as much.

If they wanted David Koresh all they had to do was pull him over in his car - sending in a commando team with automatic weapons blazing doesn’t show much concern for the other inhabitants of the household.
 
pnewton said:
When it comes to Bill Maher, I think it is important to know who we are dealing with. He is an agnostic, sarcastic, antichrisitan comedian. If an error in the beginning is an error indeed, we need to understand that this man is fraught with errors, steeped in modernity and languishing in the secular.
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Exactly. And he thrives on the publicity he gets when he says outrageous things. So, if everyone ignored him . . .
 
SamH said:
I’m sure you would love another conspiracy theory.

I am simply pointing out that the government’s actions never showed much concern for the well being of the people in the compound. From their initial “attack” to the cutting off of food and power to the final attack with tanks. The government’s Danforth Report says as much.

If they wanted David Koresh all they had to do was pull him over in his car - sending in a commando team with automatic weapons blazing doesn’t show much concern for the other inhabitants of the household.
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= Food for thought.
 
pnewton said:
When it comes to Bill Maher, I think it is important to know who we are dealing with. He is an agnostic, sarcastic, antichrisitan comedian. If an error in the beginning is an error indeed, we need to understand that this man is fraught with errors, steeped in modernity and languishing in the secular.

So let us look at his actually argument. It is hard to delve past his intolerance, prejudice and propaganda, like calling gun owners “nuts” and republicans the lunatic party. But his basic premise is a strawman. He attacks the concept of armed rebellion in the country today. No one is promoting as an argument for gun rights. Pretty much everyone agrees this would be crazy.

I have found yet one more reason I do not waist my time with this unfunny comic.
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My intention was never to place Bill Maher on a pedestal, but instead to critically evaluate the contentions made in his article. How are his contentions a strawman? I, for one, agree with him, as per my arguments in earlier posts.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How are his contentions a strawman?
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No one is seriously suggesting that gun ownership is so that we can at this time have an armed insurrection. Since it is easy to argue an insurrection as nonsense, it is an easy argument against something no one is proposing - a strawman.
 
pnewton said:
No one is seriously suggesting that gun ownership is so that we can at this time have an armed insurrection. Since it is easy to argue an insurrection as nonsense, it is an easy argument against something no one is proposing - a strawman.
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When gun proponents use the word “tyranny” as a bugaboo, the implication is that armed insurrection is on the table, at least in their minds, as nothing less would head off a “tyranny.”

We have a very curious society: No history whatsoever of tyranny, yet we obsessively fear it; nations that have had tyranny don’t fear it nearly as much. Obsessively proud of our “democracy” (which we have never had), yet worried that our political leaders are all tyrant wannabes?

The gun subculture truthfully scares me more than anything coming from the halls of power.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
The gun subculture truthfully scares me more than anything coming from the halls of power.
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Spiders scare me more than either. This does not mean they are a greater threat. When you use the phrase “gun subculture” are referring to any particular group or level of ownership, or just to all that either own guns or support the right to bear arms? I get what you are saying about the rhetoric of gun owners though. It is overly sensational at time. However, answering it with more absurd rhetoric is hardly helpful. Also, the fact that tyranny can raise its head it is not the same as saying it is an issue today.
 
pnewton said:
No one is seriously suggesting that gun ownership is so that we can at this time have an armed insurrection. Since it is easy to argue an insurrection as nonsense, it is an easy argument against something no one is proposing - a strawman.
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But there have been posts in this thread that gun ownership can somehow thwart government threats. (see posts #30 and #40 as examples.) And from your post, it would seem that you’re in agreement with Bill Maher’s basic contention.
 
Robert_Sock said:
And from your post, it would seem that you’re in agreement with Bill Maher’s basic contention.
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No, that’s not the case. I do believe tyranny is still possible and an armed populace is a deterent to such a possibility.

Hey, look at how well it’s worked so far, if we are engaging in logical fallacies.
 
GEddie said:
When gun proponents use the word “tyranny” as a bugaboo, the implication is that armed insurrection is on the table, at least in their minds, as nothing less would head off a “tyranny.”

We have a very curious society: No history whatsoever of tyranny, yet we obsessively fear it; nations that have had tyranny don’t fear it nearly as much. Obsessively proud of our “democracy” (which we have never had), yet worried that our political leaders are all tyrant wannabes?

The gun subculture truthfully scares me more than anything coming from the halls of power.

ICXC NIKA
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No history of tyranny? Have you ever studied the history of the US or lived any of it?

The US has enslaved races, imprisoned races, stripped people of their rights to vote, own property and travel. As of late it has begun to strip people of their right to life and freedom to practice religion.
 
Robert_Sock said:
But there have been posts in this thread that gun ownership can somehow thwart government threats. (see posts #30 and #40 as examples.) And from your post, it would seem that you’re in agreement with Bill Maher’s basic contention.
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Or you could try reading the post.
 
pnewton said:
No, that’s not the case. I do believe tyranny is still possible and an armed populace is a deterent to such a possibility.

Hey, look at how well it’s worked so far, if we are engaging in logical fallacies.
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I do not believe that a tyranny is remotely possible here in the US, and even if it was, armed citizens would be defenseless against it. Who would they shoot at? Wouldn’t it be comical where there was a civil war but the military refused to show up? It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘quaint’ and ‘nonsensical.’
 
Robert_Sock said:
I do not believe that a tyranny is remotely possible here in the US, and even if it was, armed citizens would be defenseless against it. Who would they shoot at? Wouldn’t it be comical where there was a civil war but the military refused to show up? It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘quaint’ and ‘nonsensical.’
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Most are counting on the military not to show up - especially if they are honoring their oath to uphold the Constitution. It’s the other armed services that don’t take that oath that will be doing the government’s bidding.
 
SamH said:
It’s the other armed services that don’t take that oath that will be doing the government’s bidding.
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How so? Again, who would they be fighting against? The rebellious citizens would do well to go to the target range to relieve themselves of their frustrations.
 
I can’t understand why some people are so obsessed about some mythical tyrant turning the US into some sort of dictatordhip…there is no evidence whatsoever…ever since Obama (who I didn’t vote for) was elected there has been nothing but hysteria from the NRA…right wing para -military groups and individuals getting their panties in a knot over how Obama is going to take away all our guns…****…it hasn’t happened…no-one has had their guns “prised from their cold dead hands”…get over your paranoia…it won’t happen neither…these same people can’t have much faith in our Republic and our Constitution if they think that one man who is nearly at the end of his term is going to bring about the downfall of the worlds greatest and strongest democracy…in your dreams…what scares me more than anything is if these same whackos decided that they could run the country better…then we would have total anarchy…all these groups…individuals…or who ever…all with their own ideas on how our country should be run…the economy would collapse for starters…we wouldn’t all be united as one sitting around holding hands singing Kumbaya…we would be killing one another en masse over food shortages…medical supplies…political differences…gasoline…because our neighbor doesn’t agree with us…etc…thank God it won’t happen because the average God fearing level headed American will see that it doesn’t.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How so? Again, who would they be fighting against? The rebellious citizens would do well to go to the target range to relieve themselves of their frustrations.
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If that’s what you think why are you so concerned?
 
SamH said:
If that’s what you think why are you so concerned?
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I’m not the least bit concerned that there will be a civil war in America. Now, why don’t you address my questions? Who are the gunslinging wackos going to shoot at if the real military simply decided not to show up?
 
Robert_Sock said:
I’m not the least bit concerned that there will be a civil war in America. Now, why don’t you address my questions? Who are the gunslinging wackos going to shoot at if the real military simply decided not to show up?
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As far as you are concerned no one. So why the big deal?
 
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