Birth control and the ten commandments?

[Adamski]

First I would say I agree with all of the catholic teachings on birth control
And find genesis 38 very clear about it

Where do we break one of the ten commandments by using birth control.

Thanks for your help

 

[Bookcat]

6th commandment for one --tis against chastity

 

[SonSearcher]

First I would say I agree with all of the catholic teachings on birth control
And find genesis 38 very clear about it

Where do we break one of the ten commandments by using birth control.

Thanks for your help

Thou shalt not kill.

In 1965, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) redefined conception from the union of sperm and egg to “the implantation of a fertilized ovum,”2 allowing hormones — like those in the Pill — that can interfere with implantation to be classified as contraceptive rather than potentially abortifacient. Eventually, this opened the door not only to widespread acceptance of artificial contraception but also later developments such as abortifacient “morning after” pills, embryonic stem cell research, and in vitro fertilization (IVF).

read full article here…lifenews.com/2012/05/16/then-and-now-the-decent-of-ethics-in-the-medical-field/

 

[1ke]

Thou shalt not kill.

This is not correct. Contraception is a sin against the sixth commandment.

 

[Regina_Love]

Many types of contraception cause abortions. Literally they kill babies. So thou shalt not kill does apply. Pill, shot, IUD cause abortions.

 

[SonSearcher]

Many types of contraception cause abortions. Literally they kill babies. So thou shalt not kill does apply. Pill, shot, IUD cause abortions.

Exactly my point. At conception life begins. Not the “defined” implantation. Many types of contraceptives cause implantation to not occur, therefore ending the life already begun.

 

[1ke]

Many types of contraception cause abortions. Literally they kill babies. So thou shalt not kill does apply. Pill, shot, IUD cause abortions.

It is correct to say that some contraceptives may have abortifacient properties.

That is not the question the OP asked and the fifth commandment is not where the Church chooses to place its teaching on the sinfulness of contraception. That is located under the sixth commandment.

Any sin against the fifth commandment would be something altogether different.

 

[Moore11]

Every sin is a sin against the 1st commandment anyway.

 

[Adamski]

Ok so I’m trying to talk to Protestant that started 2 years ago saying that we didn’t have to follow the ten commandments because Jesus came to abolish the law.

Now this person says we have to follow the ten commandments because these are moral laws and not lavitical laws.

So the the Protestant is going to catholic mass once in a while out of curiosity and says the pill, iud and so on is wrong because the ten commandments say so but they don’t see barrier methods as wrong.

They called me for an answer ???

 

[underacloud]

I would firstly note that this teaching is difficult enough to convince otherwise faithful Catholics of, so you’re unlikely to “win” an argument with a protestant on this.

As mentioned by others, the Catholic cetahcism discusses this in relation to the sixth commandment. You can ready the section in full here:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm

The relevant sections are mostly these:

2363 The spouses’ union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.

The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity.

…

The fecundity of marriage

2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is "on the side of life,"151 teaches that "it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."152 "This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act."153

2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God.154 "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."155

2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:

When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts, criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156

2369 "By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood."157

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160

2371 “Let all be convinced that human life and the duty of transmitting it are not limited by the horizons of this life only: their true evaluation and full significance can be understood only in reference to man’s eternal destiny.”

 

[mark_a]

They called me for an answer ???

This one’s a bit of a read but it is excellent: rtforum.org/lt/lt67.html

Here’s one that analyzes how Protestantism ran off the tracks: touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=20-04-020-f

Happy reading!!

 

[fred_conty]

Ok so I’m trying to talk to Protestant that started 2 years ago saying that we didn’t have to follow the ten commandments because Jesus came to abolish the law.

Now this person says we have to follow the ten commandments because these are moral laws and not lavitical laws.

So the the Protestant is going to catholic mass once in a while out of curiosity and says the pill, iud and so on is wrong because the ten commandments say so but they don’t see barrier methods as wrong.

They called me for an answer ???

The barriers used simply put, makes it masterbation for both parties.
But some do not see this as sin. Pleasure for pleasure sake alone in an act that has more meaning. Even the birds and bees do not do that.

 

[marketinggm]

First I would say I agree with all of the catholic teachings on birth control
And find genesis 38 very clear about it

Where do we break one of the ten commandments by using birth control.

Thanks for your help

Dang c?n tìm thông tin nÃ*y chúc b?n vui v?

 

[1ke]

Ok so I’m trying to talk to Protestant that started 2 years ago saying that we didn’t have to follow the ten commandments because Jesus came to abolish the law.

Now this person says we have to follow the ten commandments because these are moral laws and not lavitical laws.

So the the Protestant is going to catholic mass once in a while out of curiosity and says the pill, iud and so on is wrong because the ten commandments say so but they don’t see barrier methods as wrong.

They called me for an answer ???

I can suggest the book The Bible and Birth Control by Charles Provan. He is a Protestant minister and this may appeal to your friend.

 

[Moore11]

Ok so I’m trying to talk to Protestant that started 2 years ago saying that we didn’t have to follow the ten commandments because Jesus came to abolish the law.

Now this person says we have to follow the ten commandments because these are moral laws and not lavitical laws.

So the the Protestant is going to catholic mass once in a while out of curiosity and says the pill, iud and so on is wrong because the ten commandments say so but they don’t see barrier methods as wrong.

They called me for an answer ???

Protestants, silly protestants, they seem to run into this kind of stuff a lot when trying to bias the bible by their own interpretations. Luckily your friend can find his answer in the Bible itself or Bible alone. Jesus was asked this question by someone who did not understand our Lord or his Way. he was asked what the most important command was. He gave an answer. To love the Lord with all your soul, heart, mind. And second to that. To love your neighbor as yourself. You see while the “10” commandments cover a common array of sins. Every single sin is a sin against the MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT. Using birth control is not loving God it is loving your own lust. It is not loving your neighbor it is using your neighbor. It is a sin against both God AND people. It is a sin against ALL the commandments.

 

[mark_a]

Ok so I’m trying to talk to Protestant that started 2 years ago saying that we didn’t have to follow the ten commandments because Jesus came to abolish the law.

Ask him to show you that in the bible.