Birth Control Comebacks

[mwright1978]

The reason I am starting this thread is to give myself and everyone else references to help evangelize against birth control, including the pill, depo, norplant, morning after, RU-486, IUD, etc… I would like an arsenal of birth control rebuttels, It will definately help in the pursuit to the abolishment of contraception.
Please reply with comebacks to these.
P.S. Apologists, we would love to hear from you also

 

[condan]

Birth control separtes the true nature of the sexual act from its benefit which is pleasure. When it became universally accepted and easy 40 yers ago, the out of wedlock birth rate was 2%. Today, it is 26% with 1.5 million abortions performed each year. The intended effect of birth control has not been achieved.

Further, it incented society to treat sex as a recreational sport. We take virtually no responsibility for one of the most powerful forces of our bodies, the ability to procreate.

Birth control has facilitated the disintegration of the family unit by making adultery and pre-marital sex possible. It has relieved men from the burden of their responsibility to the children the are 50% partners in creating.

Birth control has encouraged spouses to use each other for self-fullment rather than as recipients of live-giving, mutual, total love. It has helped dramatically in increasing the divorce rate.

Birth control has taught our society that it is good to manipulate our fertility to the point that a pill has now been developed to stop menses altogether in young girls. Female fertility is seen as a burden.

 

[AmandaPS]

This may sound crude, and I apologize.

To me, birth control takes the act of love, and turns it into nothing more than mutual masterbation.

The morning after pills allows the woman to run away from the consequences of the act.

 

[weunice]

And remember the difference between NFP and other forms of birth control is the difference between HAVING SEX and NOT HAVING SEX.

So when you are confronted with that (and you will be) you might want to point that little detail out.

 

[JimO]

I have many Christian friends who work very hard to learn to “trust God”. I have heard numerous accounts of those who tithed even though they couldn’t afford it because “God commanded it and promised to bless those who obey and trust Him.” These same people defend the use of birth control. The word (birth “control”) itself belies the accompanying inherent spiritual pitfall. We want control. We don’t trust God THAT much.

Not to oversimplify the matter, but all the excuses come down to one issue - Control. What more basic decision would we want God’s will in than whether or not He is to create another human soul?

 

[weunice]

catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

 

[mwright1978]

I stole this from steve wood this morning, but when birth control was legalized it opened up a whole can of worms with privacy. MOst people get upset with the news about gay marriage. But it was the judges who went back to the 1963 case and used the privacy of using birth control as their defense. The birth control agenda spawned roe vs. wade and the sodomy law in last year. Ironic that those who believe in birth control are appauled at the sodomy enactment law.

 

[Sheen]

JimO:

I have many Christian friends who work very hard to learn to “trust God”.

And you no doubt also hear them talking about using the gifts God has given us to glorify Him.

Yet, when it comes to our fertility, it is often regarded as a burden rather than the glorious gift that it is. So, next time we hear our Christian brethren – Catholic or non-Catholic – speak about birth control, perhaps we should bring up the topic of using all the gifts God has given us – including our fertility.

Whaddya’ think?

 

[Sheen]

JimO:

I have many Christian friends who work very hard to learn to “trust God”.

And you no doubt also hear them talking about using the gifts God has given us to glorify Him.

Yet, when it comes to our fertility, it is often regarded as a burden rather than the glorious gift that it is. So, next time we hear our Christian brethren – Catholic or non-Catholic – speak about birth control, perhaps we should bring up the topic of using all the gifts God has given us – including our fertility.

Whaddya’ think?

 

[mwright1978]

what r the side effects of birth control?

 

[tobias]

I like to recall what the late archbishop Fulton J. Sheen said about birth control (I’m sure that I’m paraphrasing a little) ‘Birth control is misleading, for those who practice birth control do not believe in birth and do not practice self control.’

The word contraception is misleading because the term ought to be contraconception, because that is all that is accomplished with any artificial means, the interference of a natural conception.

I would point out that there is a huge difference between artificial contraception and natural means of birth control such as NFP. The artificial means are only used to stop the natural process of conception or abort shortly after. NFP on the other hand may be used to insure conception. So strictly speaking, the natural means are the only true forms of birth control.

Remember that St. Paul admonished christians to ‘…practice self control.’ not birth control.

 

[mr_bozo]

It all stems from what sex is, and what a human is. The Church teaches that the end of sex is procreation. Does this mean that we must try to ensure that a conception arises from every sexual encounter? No.

What must be born in mind here is the distinction between something’s end and its value. What do I mean by this? Allow mw to give an example: the end of a steering wheel is maneuverability. If the wheel does not fulfil this function, then it is worthless and ought to be replaced. In this case, the end and value of the wheel were identical. This is not so for sex.

I have already said that the end of sex is children. The value or meaning of sex, on the other hand, is independant form its end. So things such as the union of the spouses in love, the pleasure, etc. give sex a value that is quite independant from its end. It is because of this that sex between sterile persons, or sex during the woman’s infertile periods is not only permissible, but are an active good.

“So”, one might ask, “since sex has value and meaning independant from its end, then why can’t I use artificial contraception?” If we keep in mind that God invented sex, and that thru sex we become co-creators with God of new life, then to deliberately deprive this sexual encounter of its fertility seems a little sick. (It is “depriving sexual acts of their fertility” that is immoral, not birth control per se. Hence by having sex only during infertile periods one is not not depriving them of fertility, as they havn’t got any fertility of which to deprive them.)

What one is saying to God is “No, I won’t allow you bring anything out of this act.” Just because God doesn’t use every act to spawn new life doesn’t mean that we can pick and choose when we feel like allowing God to work in us. Remember how Jesus told us to be ready in season and out of season? We have to be open to God’s work at all times. Just imagine if the parish priest announced from the pulpit “I’ve decided that for this month we will not let God’s Spirit work in us. If He tries anything, then we’ll stop him.”! This would be nothing short of sacralige.

 

[kellie]

Our sexual organs are a creation of God to be used to procreate within the Sacrament of Marriage.

We celebrate the Sacrament of Marriage, where we receive God’s grace to live our lives holy, and to bring children into the world as He intends to and when He intends to.

Any other form of sexual activity is a LIE as to what the Sacrament of Marriage is.

It is a LIE as it is saying that the Sacrament of Marriage isn’t real, it can be played out in the form of fornication, or living together.

It is a LIE to say we can use our sexuality any way we like, and also stop babies from being created. For that is not how God intended us to be.

The only TRUTH about Marriage is that it is between a man and woman through the Sacrament.

Therefore, any other form of sexual activity is a LIE to what and who God is about and that includes birth control, as God does not want us to control creation, He is the Creator.

He just wants us to receive His grace to use our sexuality to procreate.

All lies are evil, although they are all at different levels.

So when you use your bodies for anything other than intended, and that includes birth control, then you are lying to God.

 

[martino]

I would like to ask Protestant or Catholics that use artificial birth control this one question:

By gaining “control” through contreception; who are you taking control from? :ehh:

 

[Catholic2003]

martino:

I would like to ask Protestant or Catholics that use artificial birth control this one question:

By gaining “control” through contreception; who are you taking control from? :ehh:

By gaining control over infection through antibiotics, whom are you taking control from?

There is nothing intrinsically wrong about exercising, or attempting to exercise, responsible procreation within God’s plan, any more than there is anything intrinsically wrong with stoping, or attempting to stop, infection, again within God’s plan. This is why it is licit to use NFP.

The problem with artificial birth control is the means, not necessarily the end.

 

[martino]

Catholic2003:

By gaining control over infection through antibiotics, whom are you taking control from?

There is nothing intrinsically wrong about exercising, or attempting to exercise, responsible procreation within God’s plan, any more than there is anything intrinsically wrong with stoping, or attempting to stop, infection, again within God’s plan. This is why it is licit to use NFP.

The problem with artificial birth control is the means, not necessarily the end.

First of all, I specifically referred to those using “artificial” contraception. Secondly, I have no idea what you are talking about “stopping infection” or whatever. And lastly, NFP is not always licit, there must first be serious reasons to practice NFP.

Can you please clarify your statement.

 

[Catholic2003]

martino:

First of all, I specifically referred to those using “artificial” contraception. Secondly, I have no idea what you are talking about “stopping infection” or whatever. And lastly, NFP is not always licit, there must first be serious reasons to practice NFP.

Can you please clarify your statement.

My comments relate to your question:

By gaining “control” through contreception; who are you taking control from?

I believe that the answer to this question is the same as the answer to my “stopping infection” question, i.e., the “whom” is the same in both cases.

However, I get the impression that you feel the answer to your question is that the person using contraception is trying to take control away from God, and that is why the use of contraception is wrong. Yet this answer completely misses the mark. Taking responsible control of one’s procreation is a good thing (when done in accordance with God’s plan), just as taking medical measures to prevent infection is a good thing.

The reasons that artificial birth control are wrong have nothing to do with taking control away from God. In fact, as you correctly point out in your latest post, even NFP is wrong when it is done to thwart God’s plan.

 

[chimakuni]

mwright1978:

what r the side effects of birth control?

Good question! Have you ever listened to the commercials that promote the “pill”? They end with, [paraphrasing] “serious side effects may occur; such as heart attack, bleeding, stroke…for more information, consult your health care provider”

Now, that alone would turn me off from putting the pill into my body - but wait - there are other methods of birth control that do not involve a woman’s body, so, here is a link that can better state the reason why contraception is not a good thing.

catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

 

[martino]

Catholic2003:

My comments relate to your question:

I believe that the answer to this question is the same as the answer to my “stopping infection” question, i.e., the “whom” is the same in both cases.

However, I get the impression that you feel the answer to your question is that the person using contraception is trying to take control away from God, and that is why the use of contraception is wrong. Yet this answer completely misses the mark. Taking responsible control of one’s procreation is a good thing (when done in accordance with God’s plan), just as taking medical measures to prevent infection is a good thing.

The reasons that artificial birth control are wrong have nothing to do with taking control away from God. In fact, as you correctly point out in your latest post, even NFP is wrong when it is done to thwart God’s plan.

I’m still not certain whether or not you are against “artificial” birth control, since you only made reference to NFP. I’m not clear on your analogy either; are you comparing the control of infections to “artificial” birth control or birth control in general? Either way I dont see the connection.

Fighting disease or infection has absolutely nothing in common with artificial birth control, unless you view pregnancy as a sickness.

Most of us realize that pregnancy is not a sickness but a gift; something to be nurtured not something to be cured.

I think I still may be missing your point, or am I?

 

[Black_Jaque]

There was some rumbling not long ago about practicing NFP couples suffer a 3% divorce rate or something like that.

The data was still in its crude stages and not yet ready for “publishing”.

However, the descepency was so astronomical that it was almost obvious that there was a connection between ABC and divorce.

I would like to see more on this information because if I found that it has merit I would use it as a main weapon.