Birth Control Comebacks

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martino:
I’m still not certain whether or not you are against “artificial” birth control, since you only made reference to NFP.
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I’m against artificial birth control. I’m just trying to get at the correct rationale for the Church’s opposition to artificial birth control.
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martino:
I’m not clear on your analogy either; are you comparing the control of infections to “artificial” birth control or birth control in general? Either way I dont see the connection.
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The connection is via the rationale for being immoral. If artificial birth control is immoral because it transfers control from “whomever” to the person using artificial birth control, then logically antibiotics should be immoral as well, since they also transfer control to the person using them. Since the latter conclusion is incorrect, then the real reason that artificial birth control is immoral must be something else entirely.
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martino:
Fighting disease or infection has absolutely nothing in common with artificial birth control, unless you view pregnancy as a sickness.

Most of us realize that pregnancy is not a sickness but a gift; something to be nurtured not something to be cured.
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No, the connection lies in the use of “taking control from whom” rationale, not in treating pregnancy as a sickness.
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martino:
I think I still may be missing your point, or am I?
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Yes, we aren’t quite on the same page yet. Sorry for not explaining my point more clearly.
 
Ok we are narrowing in on it now. You said: “The connection is via the rationale for being immoral. If artificial birth control is immoral because it transfers control from “whomever” to the person using artificial birth control, then logically antibiotics should be immoral as well, since they also transfer control to the person using them. Since the latter conclusion is incorrect, then the real reason that artificial birth control is immoral must be something else entirely.”

My problem is this: we are perfectly within the moral law in using drugs or antibiotics to fight and cure desease; the difference is that through medicine we are attempting to return the body back to its most natural form. We have dominion over our bodies so long as we do not contradict God’s law or natural law. Artificial contraception is an abuse of this because it attempts to subvert the body’s most natural form through the use of artificial substances. Most medicine is used with respect to the body because it wants to return the body back to its natural state and function , where artificial contraceptoin attempts to disrupt the body’s natural state and function which makes it immoral.

Do you agree or disagree?
 
Martino you are on target. Most forms of birth control violate the first commandment. We make ourselves a god. We remove God from the situation and instead of procreating, we attempt to be the creator ourselves.
 
“By their fruits you will know them”. God’s way is always best. That is why the divorce rate among NFP couples is less than 5% compared to greater than 50% for the general population. Sounds to me like God votes in favor of NFP (for right reason of course).
 
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mwright1978:
The reason I am starting this thread is to give myself and everyone else references to help evangelize against birth control, including the pill, depo, norplant, morning after, RU-486, IUD, etc… I would like an arsenal of birth control rebuttels, It will definately help in the pursuit to the abolishment of contraception.
Please reply with comebacks to these.
P.S. Apologists, we would love to hear from you also
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This may be a slightly different perspective than you have heard before. It is from a letter sent to a magazine called Chrstianity Today. Food for thought…

***Thank you for your informative and honest discussion of the issues surrounding the beginning of human life in your July 2004 issue. It may be interesting to readers if I share the affect the “Culture of Life” perspective has had upon my family’s spiritual journey. I recently completed an article entitled “Respice Finem, Keep Your Eye on the End” regarding the moral and ethical implications of groundbreaking population trend research by Dr. Emir Shuford of Dallas, Texas. His research uncovered a new kind of threat to western nations: “Contagious Infertility Syndrome”. It is described as a disease which attacks countries through the behavior and choices of its citizens. Nations such as France are undergoing an “Islamization”; native birthrates are in continual decline and facing the upswing of immigration from Middle Eastern countries. Russia is another sobering example of an imploding population; its borders may stand unguarded in the coming decades. The more I studied the field, the more I was struck with the lack of consistency within Protestant theology in regards to the protection of life, and potential life, at all stages. Theological ethicist Amy Laura Hall nails one important element of this discussion when she questions the moral reasoning behind Protestant acceptance of birth control. ***

The phrase the “Culture of Death” is understood to refer to abortion, euthanasia, and homosexuality. Most mainline Evangelical churches stand united in opposition against these forces, but they have all turned a blind eye to the moral question of birth control. Since the Anglican Church abandoned its stance against birth control with the Lambeth Conference of the Church of England in 1930, Protestant denominations have been quick to jump on this bandwagon. Some would see it as a potentially dangerous compromise with the world. While I continue to study this issue and am not prepared to authoritatively declare that birth control is a moral error or sin in all circumstances, I am moving nearer to this belief with each passing day. This is one of the many reasons why my family is in the process of leaving the Protestant tradition (most recently the Episcopal Church) and coming home to the Catholic Church. There is a consistency of faith, theology, and reason behind the Catholic understanding and preservation of human life at all stages, which does not exist within the Protestant denominations. If birth control ends a potential life, isn’t there a tremendous significance in that–especially when one considers the number of people currently taking birth control and undergoing abortions? These could have been your neighbors or colleagues, but now their voices will never be heard. Perhaps it is time for Christians to unite again in opposition to anything which interferes in the creation and continuation of human life.
 
Are you a Christian? Yes!

As a Christian, do you love the lord? Yes

Are you a Christian enough to allow our Lord Jesus to guide every and all aspects of your life? Yes, I do! I allow Jesus to guide every aspect of my life!

Then why don’t you allow him to decide how much children you should or shouldn’t be having?
uuhmmmmmm!

good bless
 
Well, are they capabile of seeing the difference between our cultrual morality prior to widspread contraceptive use and after?
 
I am sure they do not have the ability to see the truth. I am sure the prophetic statements made in humanae vitae are just mere coincidence to those who choose not to accept the truth about contraception.
 
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mwright1978:
I am sure they do not have the ability to see the truth. I am sure the prophetic statements made in humanae vitae are just mere coincidence to those who choose not to accept the truth about contraception.
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Then show them a tape of The Andy Griffith Show, then one of Jerry Springer.
 
what r the side effects of birth control?
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The estrogen and progestin components of the combination birth control pills each contribute different side effects: most common include weight gain, water retention, nausea. A more serious side effect is blood clots, as birth control pills “thicken” the blood a bit. Women over 35 who smoke are strongly discouraged from the pill and even women under 35 taking the pill shouldn’t smoke, as it will increase the risk of a blood clot.

However, birth control pills apparently offer protection from certain types of cancer, while seeming to dispose people to other types of cancer.

And my personal unfavorite, the IUD, predisposes women to both urinary tract and pelvic infections.

Two cents from a med student.
 
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