Bisexuality / Homosexuality and Radical Feminism - Connection ?

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LemonAndLime said:
But can you prove that homosexuality is increasing, and that people weren’t just hiding it before?
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No - and neither can you disprove it.

**I can, however point to quotes from studies and polls where people admit to claiming bisexuality because it was popular or fashionable or reasons other than them actually being homo/bisexual.

I have to ask you, Lemon - are you homosexual?
I ask this because you seem to take such offense to research that contradicts the societal norm.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
You misplaced the reference of my remarks, L&L. They weren’t addressed to you. They were addressed to the reality that homosexuals who “come out” are revered & praised, whereas previous homosexuals are despised and discredited. That is what I was referring to as politics.

Does Christian equal “biased” in your view? Because it’s pretty provocative right there, on a Catholic forum, to ally Christian with “biased,” and further to discredit any testimony of a Christian person. That’s quite a statement, coming from a Christian, amd in 3 days, a Catholic.

#1 - “Naturally occurring” does not mean what you are declaring or assuming it to mean.

#2 - You have no substantiation that those who publish the material which you prefer to other published material “very rarely have a proven agenda.” That may be your gut feeling or your assumption, but there is no objective evidence for that.
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By Christians I mean those who happen to be affiliated for a Church/Christian group (not necessarily Catholic) obviously have a motive for wanting to prove homosexuality as something nurture-based and/or curable, that at least you must be able to understand.

The Association of American Psychologists is hardly unlikely to have a pro/anti-gay agenda either way, considering all of their evidence is peer-reviewed and not carried out by an organisation that seeks to prove what it believes. But then the accusations of a homosexual agenda - that is hidden - comes into play.
 
satan smiles as he says all men are rapists and all women are prostitutes.
Lets face it its all part of the divide and conquer strategy.

Men and Women are equal and different simple as ; and what a boring world it would be if we were all the same. There are two reason for Men occupying a disproportionate amount of the positions of power ; its called testerone if causes them to be more risk taking and competitive and they don’t get pregnant. Its nothing to do with them being better than women just that the game is slightly rigged in their favour. In the past it was even more rigged. But the field will never be completely unbiased until we become unisexual and have test tube babies God forbid.

Thank God for the beauty of the true dance of love between men and women 🙂
 
LemonAndLime said:
By Christians I mean those who happen to be affiliated for a Church/Christian group (not necessarily Catholic) obviously have a motive for wanting to prove homosexuality as something nurture-based and/or curable, that at least you must be able to understand.

The Association of American Psychologists is hardly unlikely to have a pro/anti-gay agenda either way, considering all of their evidence is peer-reviewed and not carried out by an organisation that seeks to prove what it believes.
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#1 - An organization is composed of individual members. Those members potentially have biases, and may come from a variety of backgrounds which promote agendas which have not been exposed but may still very much be present. There is no scientific reliability to announce that the APA is bias-free. Organizations, including psychological ones, including secular ones, have their own ‘orientations,’ ‘missions,’ and beliefs – all of them. For example (my field), secular educational associatons have biases and beliefs, no matter how many “peer-reviewed” articles they produce. And those biases and beliefs are very different today than they were several decades ago or earlier. Politics affects and infects many of these institutions – the politics within the organizaitons, and the political influences from without, which these institutions often respond to, accommodate to, and which is apparent in the parroting of certain politically popular phrases used in their material.

#2 - Correspondingly, there is no objective evidence that Christian and Catholic organizations are “more” biased than secular ones.

#3 - My larger point, which remains unaddressed here, is that Catholics who have trouble, for whatever personal reasons, assenting to Catholic teaching on human sexuality, have no problem affirming homosexual testimony, but seem unable to affirm those who have repudiated it after living it.

In the media at large, the latter group gets treated to calumny, on most any day on the calendar, including apparently on Holy Thursday. I don’t find this to be a Christian response. 🤷 What is so threatening about it, I have to wonder. :hmmm:
 
elvisman said:
No - and neither can you disprove it.

**I can, however point to quotes **from studies and polls where people admit to claiming bisexuality because it was popular or fashionable or reasons *other *than them actually being homo/bisexual.

I have to ask you, Lemon - are you homosexual?
**I ask this because you seem to take such offense to research that contradicts **the societal norm.
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No I am not homosexual. I am attracted to men and I am female.

Of course some people follow fads - but does that prove that everyone is just following fashion? In every cultural phenomenon, there are those who are genuine and those who are copycats. Why should homosexual culture be different?
 
Peepers said:
. Where the gay rights movement finds synergy with the women’s rights movement, and other civil rights movements is also debatable, and no doubt could be very controversial topics here.
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I’m not sure I would call it synergy, but they both seem to want the state to grant them license at the expense of other’s liberty.
 
Stephen168 said:
I’m not sure I would call it synergy, but they both seem to want the state to grant them license at the expense of other’s liberty.
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I know, those pesky women invading men’s liberty and freedom by demanding their own. :rolleyes:
 
Just don’t let your girls play soccer when they are young. They’ll turn out gay for sure!😉
 
thirddec said:
satan smiles as he says all men are rapists and all women are prostitutes.
Lets face it its all part of the divide and conquer strategy.

Men and Women are equal and different simple as ; and what a boring world it would be if we were all the same. There are two reason for Men occupying a disproportionate amount of the positions of power ; its called testerone if causes them to be more risk taking and competitive and they don’t get pregnant. Its nothing to do with them being better than women just that the game is slightly rigged in their favour. In the past it was even more rigged. But the field will never be completely unbiased until we become unisexual and have test tube babies God forbid.

Thank God for the beauty of the true dance of love between men and women 🙂
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I agree thirddec. It’s like King and the civil rights movement he didn’t want Blacks to have MORE right than whites he just wanted them to have the same EQUAL rights. it’s the same for Women. They got those equal rights but it just got taken to far. Women can not be “like” men. We are not meant to be the same. It’s a shame that feminist decry the very make up of their biology. When hunter gathers were around who did the hunting. Men, why because we are wired that way. Women are not. We have paternal instincts woman have maternal. it has nothing to do with Women being less. It’s all a bunch of propaganda to distort the true meaning of things. Women are called to do amazing extraordinarily things. But to often now a days they scoff at those things. I mean just the way the “plumbing” is just says same and different. Why is it that Men do not fight what they are, but Women do. Women should be cherished, but to often they just want to be “one of the guy’s” and I think Men are to blame as well for the feminist movement, we listened to our hormones instead of God. Wanted our cake and wanted to eat it to.
 
Elizabeth

There is no scientific reliability to announce that the APA is bias-free.

If the following survey done in Wisconsin is any indication of the state of the psychological professions nationwide, there is plenty of reason to suspect that they are not bias free when it comes to assessing sexual proclivities. The Wisconsin psychiatrists were three times more likely to be sex offenders than the clergy.

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“The Wisconsin Psychological Association’s survey found offenders distributed among the following professions: Psychiatrists 34%, Psychologists 19%, Social Workers 13%, Clergy 11%, Physicians 6%, Marriage Counselors 4%, and Others 14%.”
 
LemonAndLime said:
I know, those pesky women invading men’s liberty and freedom by demanding their own.
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I’m not sure why you quoted me, because it has nothing to do with what I posted. If you would like to contribute more than little girl tantrums, you might start back at post #156 and read through to my post that you thought you were responding to.
 
Stephen168 said:
I’m not sure I would call it synergy, but they both seem to want the state to grant them license at the expense of other’s liberty.
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True. That is the classic civil rights problem. I have heard it likened to sitting at a card game for years, and it comes to light that your opponent has been winning with a marked deck. You discover this and he says… “oh yeah. sorry. let’s use a fresh deck”. There still remains the problem of redressing the wrong that has been committed. Hence affirmative action programs, which also have their problems.

In the case of women and gays, I am not sure what you mean by impinging on your liberties. There is the story in my family of my great grandmother who lived from 1894 to 1988. She saw the first indoor plumbing, horseless carriages, electric lighting, radio, television, aeroplanes, jets, rockets, atom bombs. Her brother died in WWI, he son was in WW2 and Korea. Her grandson was in Vietnam, etc…When the first black news anchor appeared on the screen of her television, she was outraged! “HOW DARE THEY BRING A NEGRO INTO MY LIVING ROOM WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!!”

Tell me what you mean by women and gays infringing on your liberties, please. Do you mean in that they are making demands in secular society to have what they see as equal rights? Or, do you think that they are trying to change the Church in a manner which is inappropriate? Or something else…?
 
LemonAndLime said:
I know, those pesky women invading men’s liberty and freedom by demanding their own. :rolleyes:
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Well, there have been women reporters in men’s locker rooms. Now that I think about it, since women’s sports are on the rise, are men reporters allowed into the women’s locker rooms?
 
Peepers said:
Well, there have been women reporters in men’s locker rooms. Now that I think about it, since women’s sports are on the rise, are men reporters allowed into the women’s locker rooms?
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Probably not because we will probably still be called perverts.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
The Wisconsin psychiatrists were three times more likely to be sex offenders than the clergy.

qsep.com/modules.php?name=assunnah&d_op=viewarticle&aid=211

“The Wisconsin Psychological Association’s survey found offenders distributed among the following professions: Psychiatrists 34%, Psychologists 19%, Social Workers 13%, Clergy 11%, Physicians 6%, Marriage Counselors 4%, and Others 14%.”
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Pretty funny. And pretty revealing.
I will note, in that regard, two facts: Psychiatrists who have offended by crossing the power differential line (male psychiatrists engaging in sex with females is the most typical manifestation) often invent their own morality to justify their actions – claiming that their patients “needed” that as part of the cure, “benefited” from it (psychotherapeutically), or “needed” it as a psychologically liberating experience. (I won’t comment on the latter being a reflection of possibly inflated ego on their part, but it does warrant a chuckle.)

Fact two: Not all psychiatrists and psychologists who sexually offend are heterosexual. I made an ill-advised decision to visit for a time period a therapist who had been recommended by an impressionable friend. This male therapist demonstrated overt homosexual affectations, even ‘dramatically’ so, in his office, and before and during sessions. I had a gut bad feeling about this guy. There were sometimes ‘scenes’ that I could hear, while I waited. One such scene involved the crying & screaming of an adolescent boy.

I have a very strong sixth sense, particularly when it comes to alerting my brain to read the newspaper. One Saturday I was particularly drawn to reading the paper, and there I found a reference to him and his practice coming under scrutiny and his being arrested for sexual abuse. Unbelievably, my friend stood by him, although her own adolescent son was seeing the man at the time, and I had begged her to stop the relationship before the arrest. When I pointed out that the man was found with child pornography, she replied that “he was using it for research.” (The standard reply of those caught with child pornography.) He was convicted and spent several years in prison, then relocated to his country of origin.

And the point I want to make is that this very so-called “therapist” (who i.m.o., based on my experience, was a charlatan who was using the cover of his practice to abuse young males), was a member of a Sex Institute which bore a lot of resemblance to the former Kinsey group. This Sex Institute itself seemed more promotional than research-based, according to everything I read about it in the secular press. But additionally, what the ‘therapist’ said about it also put it in the category of being far more interested in changing sexual mores and behavior than in producing so-called ‘objective’ research. And the therapist in question was associated, IIRC, with NAMBLA, while also working for/at this ‘Sex Institute.’
 
LemonAndLime said:
No I am not homosexual. I am attracted to men and I am female.

Of course some people follow fads - but does that prove that everyone is just following fashion? In every cultural phenomenon, there are those who are genuine and those who are copycats. Why should homosexual culture be different?
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**Clothing fads and fashion, social network fads, hairstyle fads, disco, hip-hop, rap, etc. - those are *hardly *the same as experimenting with homosexual sex. It takes a LOT of indoctrination from society and the media to make somebody go THAT far in the name of fads . . .
 
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