Bishop Andrew's Retirement

[Patchunky]

The Ruthenian version would read:
We also pray for our holy ecumenical pontiff Benedict, Pope of Rome, and for our most reverend archbishop and metropolitan Basil, for our God loving bishop Andrew, for those who serve and have served in this holy church, for our spiritual fathers, and for all our brethren in Christ.

Get ready to change that sticky… Andy’s packing his bags for retirement and should be gone by Nov.1 or so I’ve heard…

The new Bishop hasn’t been announced but he’s either from Canada or Parma…

Now if we could only get Basil to retire…

 

[Woodstock]

Get ready to change that sticky… Andy’s packing his bags for retirement and should be gone by Nov.1 or so I’ve heard…

The new Bishop hasn’t been announced but he’s either from Canada or Parma…

Now if we could only get Basil to retire…

Interesting!! How could he come from Canada? The Ruthenian Church is only in the US.

I am curious if the new bishop will be more like Bishop John or Bishop Andrew. And who will chair all the revision committees? Thanks for sharing!

 

[Fr_Ambrose]

Get ready to change that sticky… Andy’s packing his bags for retirement and should be gone by Nov.1 or so I’ve heard…

The new Bishop hasn’t been announced but he’s either from Canada or Parma…

Now if we could only get Basil to retire…

Now who is it on the Forum who keeps telling us that the Catholics have so much more respect and reverence for their bishops and for their authority …

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“Blessed is Egypt My people.” Isaiah 19:25

 

[Patchunky]

Interesting!! How could he come from Canada? The Ruthenian Church is only in the US.

I am curious if the new bishop will be more like Bishop John or Bishop Andrew. And who will chair all the revision committees? Thanks for sharing!

It’s easy, he’s a Bishop and doesn’t have a cathedral or much or an eparchy. It’s only a couple of parishes and he never got the deed to the Cathedral so when there were problems with the “owner” of the Cathedral, he simply closed it.

He’s been seen EVERYWHERE with Bishop Andrew, perhaps easing his way in as the new shepherd…

Oh, btw, the Ruthenian exists in Ukraine and the Ruthenians themselves will tell you this… especially the Bishops of Uzhorod and Mukachevo. They don’t go to Lubomyr…

 

[Patchunky]

Now who is it on the Forum who keeps telling us that the Catholics have so much more respect and reverence for their bishops and for their authority …

Yes, I know… before you know it, we’re starting acting the Ukrainians and the MP or the Finns and the MP

 

[Hesychios]

It’s easy, he’s a Bishop and doesn’t have a cathedral or much or an eparchy. It’s only a couple of parishes and he never got the deed to the Cathedral so when there were problems with the “owner” of the Cathedral, he simply closed it.

He’s been seen EVERYWHERE with Bishop Andrew, perhaps easing his way in as the new shepherd…

Oh, btw, the Ruthenian exists in Ukraine and the Ruthenians themselves will tell you this… especially the Bishops of Uzhorod and Mukachevo. They don’t go to Lubomyr…

I wonder then, if by what you say Rome is planning to merge the Slovak Eparchy in Canada into the Pittsburgh Metropolia? This could be the beginning of the long slow process of consolidation as the Byzantine-Slavonic churches in North America go into an ecclesiastical reduction phase.

That could make some Ukrainians of Canada irate, since the Slovaks were somehow extracted from the UGCC in the first place. They might be expecting to get those parishes themselves. BTW, if I recall the Slovak Eparchy is among the most Latinised Byzantine groups I am aware of. The cathedral, now closed, never had an iconostasis, and perhaps there never was one planned (admittedly the building was fairly new and the congregation small).

Michael

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[Patchunky]

The cathedral, now closed, never had an iconostasis, and perhaps there never was one planned (admittedly the building was fairly new and the congregation small).

from what I’ve been told, the man who funded the cathedral died before finishing it. there were ikons planned as well as an ikonostas. he also neglected to deed the property to the eparchy. his children do not share his love for the church and refused to carry out his wishes of finishing the cathedral.

there has been a constant struggle between the children and the bishop which is why many people left the cathedral.

when the electricity and water were turned off, the bishop decided it was time to leave…

as for merging of the Slovaks Greek Catholics and the Ruthenians in the USA, I have no idea. I have not heard anything about it. I have seen the Slovak Bishop at our outpust for the past 4 or 5 years and he’s been seen regularly with Bishop Andrew of Passic for the last 18 months; regularly, I mean if Bishop Andrew is there, the Slovak Bishop is there…

 

[Hesychios]

from what I’ve been told, the man who funded the cathedral died before finishing it. there were ikons planned as well as an ikonostas. he also neglected to deed the property to the eparchy. his children do not share his love for the church and refused to carry out his wishes of finishing the cathedral.

there has been a constant struggle between the children and the bishop which is why many people left the cathedral.

when the electricity and water were turned off, the bishop decided it was time to leave…

as for merging of the Slovaks Greek Catholics and the Ruthenians in the USA, I have no idea. I have not heard anything about it. I have seen the Slovak Bishop at our outpust for the past 4 or 5 years and he’s been seen regularly with Bishop Andrew of Passic for the last 18 months; regularly, I mean if Bishop Andrew is there, the Slovak Bishop is there…

Thanks for the reply.

I had better not speculate any further. What could be done, what should be done and what will be done are often not the same.

BTW, Rome has not hesitated in the past to move people across national boundaries in the Ruthenian complex. I believe +Milan Sasik of Muchacevo, Ukraine is from Slovakia.

Michael

 

[Patchunky]

Eariler it was mentioned about our Bishop John. I just met him for the numpteenth time this past Sunday at an Eparchy function in Lorarin Co. Always a charming man to talk to!

[Moderator Note: These posts were split from another thread into their own.]

Vladyka John is a wonderful man. He ordained a very good friend of mine to the Holy Priesthood.

I can’t wait for him to become our Bishop…

I’m also kinda of sad that you’re loosing him as Bishop. Your new one will have big shoes to fill!

 

[ebed_melech]

Vladyka John is a wonderful man. He ordained a very good friend of mine to the Holy Priesthood.

I can’t wait for him to become our Bishop…

I’m also kinda of sad that you’re loosing him as Bishop. Your new one will have big shoes to fill!

Patchunky,

Could you clarify this statement? I was unaware that Bishop John was moving to a new Eparchy.

God bless,

Gordo

 

[Patchunky]

Patchunky,

Could you clarify this statement? I was unaware that Bishop John was moving to a new Eparchy.

God bless,

Gordo

He’s actually moving to an old Eparchy

Bishop Andrew’s retirement has been accepted.

Bishop John is moving to Passic

Bishop William is moving to Parma

Van Nys is getting the Slovak Greek Catholic Bishop from Canada.

Bishop John was in Rome in October meeting with the Holy Father.

Not sure as to when this will all take place.

 

[wannabee]

OH BOY

I can think of a few folk who are going to be pleased at all those moves

 

[ebed_melech]

He’s actually moving to an old Eparchy

Bishop Andrew’s retirement has been accepted.

Bishop John is moving to Passic

Bishop William is moving to Parma

Van Nys is getting the Slovak Greek Catholic Bishop from Canada.

Bishop John was in Rome in October meeting with the Holy Father.

Not sure as to when this will all take place.

God be praised! He will be a healing balm for Passaic.

God grant many years to Bishop John, a Shepherd after His Own Heart!

Prayers for Bishop William and for the Eparchy of Parma, as well as the new bishop for Van Nuys.

Prayers also for Bishop Andrew as he moves into this new stage of his life. To his credit, he was always a supporter of the pro-life movement, attending the March for Life every year. Not many bishops can say that.

Gordo

 

[ebed_melech]

Patchunky,

I just did some checking with a few sources…

Evidently the news on the changes in the Metropolia is unofficial. Nothing has been announced at all along these lines, so it might be prudent at this point to refrain from posting on this until it is officially announced. Otherwise it is all just rumor and conjecture.

God bless,

Gordo

 

[Hesychios]

Bishop Andrew’s retirement has been accepted.

By whom…Metropolitan Basil of Pittsburgh?

Is Metropolitan Basil sending bishop John (Kudrick) to Passaic?

Michael

 

[Catherine_Grant]

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[thereselefleur]

I feel I must say that I am very surprised and more than a little perturbed at the content of this thread.

I find it scandalous that the Moderators are promoting gossip regarding Byzantine Catholics.

I am astonished that this thread has been left open instead of deleting posts that have nothing solid to back them up…

In deep sorrow

Therese

 

[Woodstock]

What is the process in the Ruthenian Church for bishops to retire or be installed?

 

[Irish_Melkite]

At present, this continues to be a non-event. The only “factual” info is that Vladyka Andrew continues to be the oldest sitting bishop in the Catholic Church. Previous iterations have had Vladkya John (Pasak) of the Eparchy of Ss Cyril & Methodius in Toronto of the Slovaks succeeding Vladyka Andrew. It seems to me that, until an announcement from Rome is forthcoming, this topic is, as someone suggested, rumor and conjecture and, therefore, has no place on this forum.

Many years,

Neil

 

[Irish_Melkite]

What is the process in the Ruthenian Church for bishops to retire or be installed?

Woodstock,

In all of the Churches sui iuris, bishops must submit their retirement at age 75. In Churches of Patriarchal status, the submission is made to the Patriarch if the bishop is one whose jurisdiction is within the historical bounds of the patriarchate and, thereby, subject to the Patriarch. (Note that there is no requirement for a Patriarch to submit his resignation based on age.)

All others submit their resignation to Rome; however, it is the practice of at least some Patriarchal Churches that bishops outside the bounds submit their resignation to Rome, but through the Patriarch and/or Holy Synod. (I’ll give you one guess in which Church that is the common practice.)

Canon 210 CCEO

1. An eparchial bishop who has completed his seventy-fifth year of age or who, due to ill health or to another serious reason, has become less able to fulfill his office, is requested to present his resignation from office.

1. This resignation from office by the eparchial bishop is to be submitted to the patriarch if it is the case of an eparchial bishop exercising authority inside the territorial boundaries of a patriarchal Church; in other cases, it is submitted to the Roman Pontiff; further, if the bishop belongs to a patriarchal Church, the patriarch is to be notified as soon as possible.

1. To accept this resignation the patriarch needs the consent of the permanent synod, unless a request for resignation was made previously by the synod of bishops of the patriarchal Church.

As to installation (again applicable to all canonical jurisdictions except those of Patriarchal Churches which are within the bounds of the patriarchate) the Apostolic Nuncio reads the Bull of Installation. In the Melkite Church, the Patriarch typically invests a newly-installed bishop outside the bounds - the challenge of by whose authority the bishop is installed is left to the interpretation of the onlooker.

A round of installations such as is suggested by the scenario presented would represent a challenge to the Metropolia (and the EC community generally - at least for those hierarchs who typically make an appearance in respect of their new brother), with the hierarchy in continuous air flight for a couple weeks

Many years,

Neil