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Mar_Isaac
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You win zilch.The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church?
What do I win?
Irish Melkite can correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the winning answer is: Melkite.
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Irish_Melkite
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I can’t swear that it doesn’t happen in the UGCC, but it is not “officially” a patriarchal church, which I specified. Mar Isaac wins - since I can’t send the arak to him, I’ll drink it for himYou win zilch.
Irish Melkite can correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the winning answer is: Melkite.
Many years,
Neil
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Semper_Fi_1
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You specified the patriarchy or the holy synod. UGCC has a synod.I can’t swear that it doesn’t happen in the UGCC, but it is not “officially” a patriarchal church, which I specified. Mar Isaac wins - since I can’t send the arak to him, I’ll drink it for him
Many years,
Neil
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Irish_Melkite
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Hmm, so I did and yes it does. But, I don’t know have sufficient personal insights into the ecclesial politics of the UGCC to say with any measure of self-assurance that it is the case (altho it wouldn’t surprise me greatly to find that it was). So, ok, I’ll drink your arak as wellYou specified the patriarchy or the holy synod. UGCC has a synod.
Many years,
Neil
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mgy100
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If the Slovak bishop were to leave his eparchy, what could happen to the small Slovak diocese in Canada? Could they go back to the Ukrainians?
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Catherine_Grant
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Please remember the guidelines posted above and refrain from idle speculation when responding.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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ASimpleSinner
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I am guessing this is a rhetorical question.
You were Byzantine Catholic long enough to know how things work.
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Aramis
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If norms are followed, a new Ukranian or Slovak would be selected to Shepherd the Slovaks in Canada as their Eparch.
Once established, even non-geographic (or really semi-geographic) eparchies are generally considered permanent. Given that it is an Eparchy, it would take papal action to suppress…
But until we have more than just Eparch Andrew’s declaration of retirement, we literally know nothing other than the procedures. The relevant synod &/or sobor will be asked to come up with candidates, who will be forwarded to Rome and/or Major Archbishop Hussar, and a decision then made.
It is not common for enthroned bishops to be moved, but it is also not unheard of. (The only time I’ve seen it done routinely is when a bishop is becoming an archbishop. And it still isn’t the norm.)
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Irish_Melkite
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The candidate would most likely be a priest of the Slovak Church sui iuris or of Slovak descent/ethnicity. There is no sound reason for a Ukrainian to be considered - a Ruthenian from the Metropolia would be more logical as a candidate.
There is no synod or sobor to act and Major Archbishop Husar has neither jurisdiction nor any omophor to exercise as to the Slovak Church.
Candidates will be selected by the Congregation for the Oriental Church, as is the case in all instances of Churches sui iuris of less than metropolitan status/rank.
The Apostolic Nuncio to Canada, Archbishop Ventura, will be consulted by the Congregation and it is possible that the Metropolitan Archeparch of the Ukrainians, as the ranking Eastern hierarch will be asked for recommendations or his opinion, but there is no requirement that such be done. It may, for its convenience, ask knowledgeable hierarchs of Sister Churches to make recommendations for names to be included in the terna (the list of 3 candidates to be considered by the Pope), but it is not required to do so.
Many years,
Neil
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Aramis
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The ruthenian metropolia doesn’t extend into Canada, it is purely a US church. The European Ruthenians are not even part, but are separate papal exarchates.
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Irish_Melkite
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Aramis,
I did not suggest that the Metropolia extended into Canada. I said that a Ruthenian would be a more logical candidate than a Ukrainian, which was a possibility that you raised. The Slovaks in Canada actually have pastoral responsibility for Ruthenians residing there - as do the Ruthenians in the US for Slovaks residing here.
The Ruthenian jurisdictions in Europe are an eparchy and 2 exarchates.
Many years,
Neil
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Patchunky
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It was announced today by VATICAN NEWS SERVICE that Bishop Andrew Pataki’s retirement was accepted by the Holy Father.
Bishop William Skurla of the Eparchy of Van Nuys will succed him. Bishop William’s enthronement will be the end of January, 2008 at St. Michael’s Cathedral in Passaic.
The Bishop elect of Van Nuys will be Fr. Gerald Dino, Protocyncellus for the Eparchy of Passic. Bishop Elect Gerald’s enthronement will be March 27, 2008, Bright Thursday.
May God grant to His servants, retired Bishop Andrew, Bishop William and Bishop-elect Gerald many happy and blessed years, Mnohaja Lita!
Bishop William Skurla of the Eparchy of Van Nuys will succed him. Bishop William’s enthronement will be the end of January, 2008 at St. Michael’s Cathedral in Passaic.
The Bishop elect of Van Nuys will be Fr. Gerald Dino, Protocyncellus for the Eparchy of Passic. Bishop Elect Gerald’s enthronement will be March 27, 2008, Bright Thursday.
May God grant to His servants, retired Bishop Andrew, Bishop William and Bishop-elect Gerald many happy and blessed years, Mnohaja Lita!
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ASimpleSinner
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Let’s all start praying for Father Gerald now…
The way our bishops sometimes get treated and talked about… Well, frankly, an episcopal appointment can seem like a mighty fine way to torture a man.
I say this only HALF in jest… Maybe we could give the man 12 months before the online hierarchical quaterbacking begins.
Poor man. Lord have mercy.
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The way our bishops sometimes get treated and talked about… Well, frankly, an episcopal appointment can seem like a mighty fine way to torture a man.
I say this only HALF in jest… Maybe we could give the man 12 months before the online hierarchical quaterbacking begins.
Poor man. Lord have mercy.
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