Bishop bars state legislative leaders may not be admitted to Holy Communion

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I wish we had Bishop Paprocki in our diocese. Good job.
The Pro- chokers want to hi-jack the Catholic Church just like they have hi-jacked the governments of the world. They will attempt to establish their, “culture of death,” on every level.
 
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But our former Republican governor was horrible, too–he betrayed all of us by voting pro-choice, even though he had promised not to.
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He not only voted pro-choice , he signed a bill to fund abortions. I don’t know, is Rauner a Catholic?
 
I guess I’m not the only one who feels as if there is a dark cloud hanging over IL… I have lived here all my life, plus I work for the state, and now I feel as if I might as well be working for some evil organization like Planned Parenthood or NARAL. I truly feel there is no future in IL but at age 55 it’s probably too late to get out… oh well…
 
No, Rauner wasn’t Catholic, I think he was Episcopalian.
 
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I truly feel there is no future in IL but at age 55 it’s probably too late to get out… oh well…
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I understand how you feel. It’s never too late though. I pray that one day you are able to retire someplace warm, sunny, and pro-life!

I currently live in Missouri. I used to live in Kentucky. Both are beautiful, life loving states that border Illinois so maybe one of those is close enough for you to commute from? When we lived in KY, many of our neighbors commuted to Nashville daily (approx 90 miles). I have two neighbors here in Waynesville, MO that commute to Springfield (90 miles) daily and another that commutes to St. Louis (135 miles). Often longer commutes work because the actual drive time is similar. When we lived in KY, my husband could get to work (40 miles) in 45 mins while some of the other soldiers would take 45-60 mins. They mainly lived 20 miles away from the opposite direction (TN side of post). They had traffic to deal with on the TN side and from the KY side where we lived there was never traffic.

Once you retire, Huntsville, AL is quite lovely. I lived very close to Huntsville for 10 years growing up. The weather is also nice. Another state that I would highly recommend for retirement is Georgia. Savannah is absolutely gorgeous.
 
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He not only voted pro-choice , he signed a bill to fund abortions. I don’t know, is Rauner a Catholic?
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All I can find is “Christian.” I don’t remember ever seeing him attend a church–usually politicians make sure that the cameras are on them when they are walking into a church.

It’s heartbreaking that Jeanne Ives didn’t defeat him in the primary–so close! 51. 4% to 48. 6 %

His campaign budget was in the multiple millions, while Ms. Ives campaign budget was only $400,000! And yet, she still capture almost half the votes! If only…if only…!

I hope she will run again against Gov. Pritzker, but he is just barreling along passing legislation to make Illinois the most progressive state in the Union when it comes to reproductive rights, as well as legislation to increase taxes (only for the “rich”–yeah, right!), passing a 38 cent/gal gas tax which he CLAIMS will be used to repair our wretched pothole-filled roads and our dangerous, rickety bridges, but we all know will be used to pay for pensions for State employees like teachers, get casinos in more cities in Illinois (like anyone’s going to come here and pay that gas tax when they can travel a few miles north to Wisconsin and go to Ho Chunk and see great entertainment as well as gamble). And he smiles and visits cities like ours and promises the sun, moon, and stars.

Thank GOD for BIshop Paprocki, who is standing against these pro-abortion politicians! Praise God, and I hope he carries on and I pray he stays safe.

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Several posters have expressed worries that the bishop’s action might incite a backlash against Catholicism, and also stated that the politicians will just attend a more “liberal” parish to receive Holy Communion.

Right now I have a documentary on TV about Nazi Germany, and I am reminded that so few people spoke “Nein!” when Hitler and his cronies came to power.

Evil will never be defeated by silence. We must do and say the right thing. It is not a “loving” act to give people Holy Communion who walk out the church doors and make abortion as easy for women to obtain as a Strep screen. They are committing a grave sin, and Catholics should be warning them, and the Bishop Paprocki has done just that, and in so doing, will hopefully bring them to repentance and the redemption of their souls.

If we don’t warn them, they are in grave danger of hell, and our state is in danger of becoming a death camp for the unborn.
 
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I also feel kind of guilty anymore about having a state pension knowing the effect the pension liabilities are having on the state… I know that I’m part of the problem and I am sorry for that. Another reason I really should quit and get a real job…
 
I live in Springfield IL, which puts me about 100 miles from the state border in either direction. I can get to either Hannibal MO or Crawfordsville IN in less than 2 hours.

Another reason for leaving IL is that my daughter is disabled (autistic) and services for her are always grossly underfunded, with miles long waiting lists. She’s been out of high school for 2 years, and the state Dept of Human Services is supposed to be helping her find a job in the community, but they can never seem to find anything. We pay a local workshop for the disabled so that she can go there and work a couple of days a week just to get out and do something. The job costs us far more than she earns (she’s not eligible for funding that would make it free). And one of the reasons it’s hard to find work for her is the higher minimum wage…an employer can’t afford to hire someone with limited abilities at $10 or $15 an hour. Plus the agencies that work with the disabled are going to have to raise their pay and that will limit their budgets. So I don’t see much of a future for her here either. (Another way in which IL is a very anti life state) I’ve heard that any of the neighboring states would be better in this regard but I’d like to verify that… any suggestions?
 
I have LOVED living in Missouri. We are moving very soon and are already praying to be lead back here one day soon. We live in the Ozarks so i can’t say for certain how life is in Hannibal. Here it is low cost of living, beautiful landscape, very prolife with multiple services available.

Kentucky was an amazingly welcoming state as well. We only lived there about 3 years close to Fort Campbell so I don’t know it very well. We did enjoy visiting Owensboro (small and rural but very Catholic town) and Paducah (also small and almost as Catholic as Owensboro). Hopkinsville was the closest town to us and had the most loving, inviting Catholic Church we have ever attended in our lives. They are very vibrant, many families both young and old, disability friendly, and living the gospel to the fullest.

I worked for DoDEA schools and have heard the school system in KY is not the greatest, but the schools on post were wonderful. Many services for those who needed them. I cannot say for sure about outside the military community though. As a state, everyone we met was extremely welcoming and there were various types of disabilities in public spaces instead of hidden away. Unfortunately I have lived places where even the slightest disability was hidden away as if they were not worthy of being seen, even in Catholic parishes. I’ve personally witnessed parents being asked to remove their child from Mass. that would NEVER happen at Sts. Peter and Paul in Hopkinsville, KY.

Both MO and KY have a lot to offer and are so often overlooked. Many areas of both states tend to be populated by very Christian Protestants and many of those Protestants are more prolife than some Catholics, especially in other areas of the country. They are our biggest allies in the prolife world. Many concerts across the south specifically due to working with each other on prolife issues. Both states are extemremely low cost of living ($2.17/gallon milk in Rolla, MO and $1.75/gallon milk in Princeton, KY). Many large families (4+ kids, 6+ not uncommon at all, our 8 don’t stand out to anyone). We know many who have adopted, fostered, or simply have taken in children or teens in need like we have.

The idea that these states are full of racist redneck hicks and hillbillies is uncalled for. Our family is not white, we are immigrants, we are catholic and not once in either KY or MO were we treated poorly. We were as accepted as anyone else. We felt comfortable going anywhere at anytime and never made uncomfortable.

I hope you find a place for your family. I will pray for you all.
 
For full disclosure I had supported Gov Rauner especially since he was working with the Polish President to bring jobs to Illinois. It was such a shock to me that he signed that bill. Breen actually came to my door and we discussed petitions and all that to overturn that bill but Breen got defeated in the election too.
 
You must be a military family, so thank you very much for your service… and your encouraging words. In all fairness there are still many good, caring pro life/Christian/socially conservative folks in IL and if you live south of I-72 or even I-74 you would probably not see much difference from MO, IN or even KY. They don’t get much notice however.
 
Retired military. It’s been a true pleasure! Not many families get to experience the adventures we have had or have the ability to live and experience life in multiple locations. I have only visited IL and IN. All of our duty stations have been in the south east! 25 years and we never were stationed north of MO, KY, or VA. Never farther west than TX either.
 
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They are committing a grave sin, and Catholics should be warning them
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This right here is exactly why it should be done.

It’s easy to slip into the belief that being excommunicated or having other sanctions placed on your by the church are a punishment to make life miserable and shame you into change. No, quite the opposite. It’s a sanction placed to impress the gravity of how far you’ve strayed in hopes of winning you back. It has NOTHING to do with ANYONE else but the one who is facing sanction.

It is not a punishment, it is not a shaming, it is not a public disgrace. It is and only can be a correction to demonstrate how far one has wandered from the faith to win them back. If they are not shown how far from the way they have strayed, then they are in real danger of Hell…a loving church can’t let that happen without doing all they can to reach these people. I feel excommunication and barring from sacraments in a powerful tool that NEEDS to be used more! The stakes are just too high for all of us, and I dearly hope my church will correct me if ever I stray so far!
 
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Delphinus, this is such a good post! When I say “good,” I’m not talking about the writing or the paragraph composition or the style–I’m saying that God’s beautiful GOODNESS shines through this post!

I think it’s so important that we are compassionate, loyal, loving, fun, and generous friends to all of our relatives and acquaintances who are LGBTQ.

But we need to be careful not to embrace as normal and beautiful the practice of sexual acts outside of a valid marriage between a man and a woman.

If we are truly friends with LGBTQ individuals and actually getting together with them on a regular basis and doing activities and spending quality time together, eventually the topic will come up, and we will have the opportunity to be able to share the truth of Christian/Catholic teaching about sex.

To just say, “It’s all good, I’m fine with it, it’s your life and it’s none of my business what you do behind closed doors” is not loving at all! It’s a failure to warn people that there is a God, that He has spoken about sexual activity, and that defiance and disobedience has consequences.

I would like to see Christians think seriously about whether there is really value in attending PRIDE events as a show of support, and instead, consider seeking out the company of LGBTQ people (or just one person) and being a true, loyal, loving friend to that person(s).

At a PRIDE event, it is not appropriate for Christians to speak up and call out the discrepancy between the practice of homosexual acts and God’s eternal Word and teachings. It would be rude, disruptive, and would definitely fail to accomplish any good at all, and possibly turn people against God and His Church and people.

But as a close friend, who spends quality time doing fun and uplifting activities on a regular basis with our LGBTQ friends and having open, honest, and edifying conversations during those activities, we will eventually have the opportunity to speak in a private setting, in a very loving way, AFTER we have “earned the right to speak” by demonstrating day after day that we truly love our friend. We will also be able to demonstrate through our own continence, the beauty of obeying God’s plan for human sexuality.
 
Sounds good on paper, but how are you going to “earn the right to speak”? By not saying anything “hurtful” or “judgey” for a year? Then saying “by the way, your lifestyle is against God’s plan for your life”?
I think the best thing is to be kind and respectful, and live your life with integrity and love. That’s all I can do, anyway.
 
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I have to say that reading the repeated long postings on here going on and on about how we need to be correcting gay people makes me feel the Pride events are even MORE needed and that perhaps I should go to one.

I am rather put off by how many people on this forum seem to think sending a corrective message to gay people is a central necessity of Catholic existence. I’m sure all these people posting such stuff have sins of their own to work on and could be doing that rather than beating the dead gay horse here just endlessly. I turned my hearing aid off months ago.
 
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