Bishop blasts "spirit of Vatican II"

[Nix89]

In short, I do not think you can find another such papal document previous to this that received such strong and immeditate rejection. And I would submit this act of rejection of Papal authority did more to give credence to those priests and theologians to go off on their own tangents than did anything in the Vatican 2 documents themselves.

Thank you for saying this better than I could have. It was a ‘questioning of authority’ free-for-all in those days and many, myself included, were led astray. I had a struggle coming back. Some, I fear, never will.

 

[otjm]

Having been Blessed with 12 years of Catholic Education when it was still something to “brag” about, I found it quite difficult to be critical of Bishops and Priest which I was taught to believe were always right, always with the Pope and always with the Church.

Certaily many are, clearly many are not!

If we take the advice and teaching of Jesus Himself, “By there fruits you shall KNOW them.” Apply it to reviewing the obvious and documented effects of Vatican II, we find the following.

According to the PEW Report of 2008 in comparing 1970 and 2007 Chruch statistics.

1970 about 73% of professed Catholics were “practicing there faith”
2007 that number fell to 25% and in 2008 to 23%

1970 nearly 70% of Catholics went to Confession at least Once a year [Easter Duty]
2007 only 10%

In 2008 The second largest Christian denomination was “fallen away Catholics”

Catholics in the know are aware of Pope John Paul’s repeated efforts to effect sane, humble change, and this group is also aware that Pope Benedict too has expressed GRAVE concern for loss of souls. On October 16th., he iniated a review of the V II understanding, which is still pending.

His Holiness has overidden the Bishops and gace Papal authority for the EF Mass because so many Bishops refused to do so. Further, when one receives Holy Communion from the Pope, it must be Kneeling and on the tongue. This is a teaching, and many are unaware that this manner remains the NORM in the Universal Catholic Church.

I am not of the opinion that nothing good came out of Vatican II, because so many of our problems and the loss of souls stem not from Vativan II, but what a large group of Bishops and priest wanted it to say and accomplish, and forced upon there largely gullible flocks.

I would have enjoyed speaking to this priest after Mass.

Dear God stregthen our Pope and Magisterium to have the Wisdom and Courage to do what is necessary for the salvation of souls!

Having spoken with a number of Protestants, including ministers, and having watched reports over the years, it is clear that Protestant denominations, praticularly the mainline denominations, have seen the same fall-off of participation.

Considering the fact that Vatican 2 had nothing to do with the Protestant Churches, one might consider that if they have seen the same fall-off of attendance as the Catholic Church has, that possibly, just possibly, the cause could be something other than the documents. Arguing otherwise is simply an exercise in post hoc, ergo propter hoc logic.

Having worked with Catholics Returning Home program, there are multiple reasons that people have left the Church. They include, but are not limited to, sexual activity outside of marriage, lack of catechesis, anger with someone in Church (the priest, a nun, a parishoner who challenged them or made them mad - which underneath has lack of catechesis); second marriages without a decree of nullity; mixed marriages with a stronger spouse faith-wise (which gets back to catechesis); the list goes on. There has yet to be any significant showing that the change in the Mass caused people to leave.

The people in the pews have been off-course for 40+ years; much of that due to bishops who had no clue, and/or were not paying attention, not to mention clergy under them. It will take time for things to aright themselves, but the process has already been started under the previous Pope.

 

[otjm]

In short, I do not think you can find another such papal document previous to this that received such strong and immeditate rejection. And I would submit this act of rejection of Papal authority did more to give credence to those priests and theologians to go off on their own tangents than did anything in the Vatican 2 documents themselves.

Thank you for saying this better than I could have. It was a ‘questioning of authority’ free-for-all in those days and many, myself included, were led astray. I had a struggle coming back. Some, I fear, never will.

Welcome back! And sadly, I agree with you; many won’t. In the Old Testament, there is a comment (by God) about the Jews being stiff-necked; a strong image that sadly was not and is not exclusive to them, by any means.