Bishop Cancels Nicene Creed to Avoid Offending Non-Catholics

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We already have a long thread on this.

Edited to add, here’s the thread, sorry it took a minute to find as CAF seems to have hidden the search function on my mobile…
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Italian bishop Derio Olivero in cathedral in Piedmont omits the Creed to avoid offending non believers & Protestants at Epiphany mass Catholic News
According to a check of “Credo” (since you wanted to know the date in the Latin rite). . . Wiki has this, friend. . . After the formulation of the Nicene Creed, its initial liturgical use was in baptism, which explains why the text uses the singular “I …” instead of “we…” The text was gradually incorporated into the liturgies, first in the east and in Spain, and gradually into the north, from the sixth to the ninth century. In 1014 it was accepted by the Church of Rome as a legitimate part of t…
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I’m glad you re-posted. I didn’t see that original thread but I saw yours. I didn’t know about this! So thank you for the re- :slight_smile:post - don’t apologize! LOL.
 
I hadn’t seen the original thread either. I find this particularly weird as my particular Protestant tradition, at least, recognizes the Nicene creed as an authoritative formulation of its faith.
 
OddBird said:
I find this particularly weird as my particular Protestant tradition, at least, recognizes the Nicene creed as an authoritative formulation of its faith.
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The weird part is not connected with non-catholic acceptance of the creed, but rather the idea that a catholic prayer being said in a catholic mass (of which that prayer is a standard part) would be reasonable grounds for anybody to take offense!
 
ericolsen70 said:
I find it irritating that clergy feel the need to water down the Catholic faith to appease non catholic believers. I can tell you from experience that non-catholic churches do not water down their beliefs to appease Roman Catholics.
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I am in total agreement with you on this.

Non-Catholics are just as pleased as punch when we de-emphasize the truths that Catholics hold and they don’t. I suppose that’s just human nature.

That said, I don’t seek to divide Christians needlessly. We have far more in common than not.
 
The Bishop did not omit it. He said it. He made clear he expected Catholics to say it. What he did was ask them to say it in silent prayer and for others to silently consider what they believe. As I understand it the Mass is not a performance for non-Catholics but a communal prayer of Catholics. It therefore seems to change nothing if, because of courtesy to others, part is said in silence. What’s the issue?
 
The issue is that we should not have to water down our worship in any way as a courtesy to others. What else do we have to do, omit the “Our Father” prayer as another courtesy? Where does it stop?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
We already have a long thread on this.

Edited to add, here’s the thread, sorry it took a minute to find as CAF seems to have hidden the search function on my mobile…
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Awesome technical work! The search function is pretty ordinary, especially on a mobile 🙂
And a good reply from Fr InThePew
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Italian bishop Derio Olivero in cathedral in Piedmont omits the Creed to avoid offending non believers & Protestants at Epiphany mass Catholic News
There are over 5000 bishops (of one sort or another) and about 3000 dioceses (or their near equivalents) worldwide. The Diocese of Pinerolo is neither particularly large nor significant. Granted, from time to time some bishop has a “bright” idea which he’d probably be better not to have had. However, while omission of (collective profession of) the creed isn’t great it also isn’t the sign of the apocalypse some seem to want to make it out to be. I’m pretty sure that the average Catholic in the p…
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FiveLinden said:
As I understand it the Mass is not a performance for non-Catholics but a communal prayer of Catholics.
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Ergo, one might wonder why the event was designed to be a Catholic Mass when the substance of a Catholic Mass (such as the profession of faith) is thought to cause offense to some present (by invitation one assumes).
 
ericolsen70 said:
I find it irritating that clergy feel the need to water down the Catholic faith to appease non catholic believers. I can tell you from experience that non-catholic churches do not water down their beliefs to appease Roman Catholics.
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This isn’t anything new. In 2004, at the Pallium Mass in Rome, the late PPJII said the Nicene Creed with the Patriach of Constantinople. However, they agreed to not say the Filioque together. Check out this video, which discusses this around the 23:30 mark:

The Pallium Mass & the Filioque
 
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Quite. Nobody is forced to attend Mass, and people who choose to do so know what to expect.

Nonetheless, I am puzzled as to why the Bishop thought non-Catholic Christians could be offended, as I can’t see Waldensians taking exception with the Nicene creed, and any Orthodox present would certainly have expected the Filioque.
 
ericolsen70 said:
I found this across the internet on multiple sites as well as church militant.
I find it irritating that clergy feel the need to water down the Catholic faith to appease non catholic believers. I can tell you from experience that non-catholic churches do not water down their beliefs to appease Roman Catholics.
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I hope this is not true! It’s terrible to read about something bad at least every day!
 
As a former anti-Catholic protestant I find that Catholics too often place themselves in the position of the defendant. Catholics have nothing to be sorry for and should definitely NOT let protestants hold them accountable for their Sacred Tradition and Dogma. Instead, Catholics should question protestants as to why and how they dare to stand against Christ Himself by setting themselves as enemies of the Church! This takes patience and wisdom, of course, but I want to stress that Catholics are NOT in a position of accountability towards the protestants. This doesn’t necessarily mean getting into constant arguments but an internal change of attitude and perspective in favor of the Doctrine of Christ!

The Church is founded on secure ground. It has roots in history and most importantly the Sacred Scriptures. Have faith in Christ who established the Church and has given her the blessed Holy Spirit to guide it INERRANTLY to all truth. If the Church was able to answer all my objections to its Magisterial teaching authority and the Papal primacy with convincing truth, it sure is able to answer any other person as well.
 
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because the bishop is telling us not to proclaim what believe aloud. Why do we have to be show courtesy to others because they do not believe???
 
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