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Lucky7
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You need to re-read what I wrote. And this is not about average Joe Schmoe (whose sins are private) on the communion line…but others keep making it so.Wow, that’s kind of rude. Yes, it is what is happening.
Take a breath.
Nobody said the leadership of the Church isn’t concerned about it’s participants getting closer to God.
The rules of the Church are not changing because someone took communion outside of the state of Grace.
Every priest would be a fool to think that the hundreds of people who receive communion each week at their parish are all in a state of Grace.
It’s reality.
It’s not something to get crazy about.
And how was I rude to you? I apologize if I came across strong to you. I’m just tired of others pointing to those of us with valid concerns and saying we’re only concerned about “others’ sins” and not our own.
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Do you know that he did not go to confession before mass?The difference is that your hypothetical priest would not know that they were not in a state of grace. Not the case here.
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The Church isn’t TMZ.You need to re-read what I wrote. And this is not about average Joe Schmoe (whose sins are private) on the communion line…but others keep making it so.
A person in the public eye is treated equally as all others by God.
I think you should put your concerns in His hands.
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Lucky7
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According to Church law they are treated differently.The Church isn’t TMZ.
A person in the public eye is treated equally as all others by God.
I think you should put your concerns in His hands.
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Lormar
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I couldn’t agree with you more, Lucky. I’ve about had it myself. I’ll pray for you, and say one for me too. At this point, I need it.NO, that is not what is happening here. What is happening here are a bunch of good-willed Catholics who are VERY concerned that leaders of our Church are openly allowing sacrilege. It just doesn’t COMPUTE. How can this be? The fact that so many want to make this solely about Biden’s sins is so frustrating.
EDIT: And I don’t know about the others who feel the way I do, but this is seriously giving me a crisis of faith.
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Lucky7
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You got it Lormar!I couldn’t agree with you more, Lucky. I’ve about had it myself. I’ll pray for you, and say one for me too. At this point, I need it.
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I bet if we dug deep enough we could find a very similar thread on Pelosi.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Let’s try a mental exercise. Let’s say you saw a known adulterer presenting himself for Communion. A man who publicly supports adultery. Who is known to be living with a woman not his wife. He even attends Mass with her. Would you not be scandalized? Remember: he is known to be an adulterer and to support adultery. Which means we *all * know.The Church isn’t TMZ.
A person in the public eye is treated equally as all others by God.
I think you should put your concerns in His hands.
Insert whichever of the 10 Commandments that you wish.
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OraLabora
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I don’t think even the Church can place limits on what God can or cannot do. If He chooses to distribute His graces to someone in mortal sin that’s His business.Perhaps someone else can chime in here, but I thought that Catholic teaching was that you do **not **receive graces from the Eucharist IF you are in a state of mortal sin…the whole receiving the Lord in an unworthy manner and being guilty of sinning against the Body and Blood of the Lord.
The Church can of course propose the surest way to salvation, and surely approaching the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin is tempting fate, which is what she teaches, and why I confessed in my own particular set of circumstances.
But ultimately the Church teaches that the final judge is God alone:
(CCC, my bold)1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
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I didn’t say or speak of my frustration or lack thereof with the situation. Of course it’s not great that sinners continue to sin.Let’s try a mental exercise. Let’s say you saw a known adulterer presenting himself for Communion. A man who publicly supports adultery. Who is known to be living with a woman not his wife. He even attends Mass with her. Would you not be scandalized? Remember: he is known to be an adulterer and to support adultery. Which means we *all * know.
Insert whichever of the 10 Commandments that you wish.
It’s just not new. This type of story comes up often, typically around Easter as I mentioned above many only go to Church on Easter.
I also believe one could find some answers if they searched for them rather than build frustration.
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OraLabora
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Honestly, where I am now in my faith walk? I would likely think that he reminds me of myself, for I too have sinned grievously in my life. I would be most likely to think “there but for the grace of God go I”.Let’s try a mental exercise. Let’s say you saw a known adulterer presenting himself for Communion. A man who publicly supports adultery. Who is known to be living with a woman not his wife. He even attends Mass with her. Would you not be scandalized? Remember: he is known to be an adulterer and to support adultery. Which means we *all * know.
Insert whichever of the 10 Commandments that you wish.
I honestly can’t be scandalized by others sins, because, well, they instead make me scandalized at my own behaviour which in reality, when you get down to it, hasn’t been much better than theirs. Same sins? Maybe not. But grave matter? Surely.
I would, however, pray for him that he may open his own heart to God’s grace. It’s when we do that, that we can truly overcome sin.
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JReducation
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How do we know this?A priest isn’t to deny Communion to anyone unless it would cause public scandal. In this case, it does cause public scandal. Evidently, the priest in question could care less.
Sad.
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