Bishop Fellay's (SSPX) response to reunification

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The only decisive action on the part of the Church which will offset the arguments of the SSPX and allow them to come back in to true union with Rome would be for the Church to bring about a staunch and decisive explanation of V-II, thus clearing up the issues, as well **as the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo Mass. **

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The legitimacy of the Mass is not on the table. If the SSPX denounce its legitimacy, then that adds another kettle of fish to the problem.

Also, I do not think that Pope Benedict will be too pleased to have disobedient clerics demanding from him the why and wherefores of the Holy See. The Holy Father has been very patient with the SSPX (remember that he was the one in the middle when he was Cardinal Ratzinger) and knows too well what is involved.
 
I think it’s pretty useless to talk about this stuff until a formal statement from either the Holy See or the SSPX comes out.
Totally agree.

Between the two, I’d prefer to see the reaction from the Holy See come out first, though I realize the patience in refraining from what SSPX would see as an attack.

Tactically, the Church is sound. It is forcing the attack from SSPX and through that, they will eventually be forced to approach the position of the Vatican. Once there, they will be forced to realize they can’t win and maintain the integrity of the Church. That will be the time the Holy See is able to show how forgiving he is, and Christ is, of rebellion- as good as the intent was.

SSPX, at this point, is echoing St. Peter’s dream and screaming “we’ve never eaten any unclean thing!”.

SSPX will eventually either reconcile themselves totally to Rome in understanding of that with which they currently disagree, or, they will enter formal schism. The latter would be detrimental to the Church and even worse- the SSPX.

As such, the burden is on the Church, but the burden of proof cannot be beneficial to the SSPX until they admit the Church is bearing this burden, and they, in seeking to define the Church, are forcing the burden on themselves, and not the other way around. Therefore, they must act without pride should they believe the Pope is valid and legitimate. The Pope says Vatican II is valid. He says the Novus Ordo Mass is valid. I don’t get it either. But I refuse to operate outside of the Pope’s wishes when he provides a means for all things pre-Vatican II in practice with the FSSP. To leave that, ya might as well move in with the Dimond brothers and engage in masturbatory theological speculation.
 
The legitimacy of the Mass is not on the table. If the SSPX denounce its legitimacy, then that adds another kettle of fish to the problem.

Also, I do not think that Pope Benedict will be too pleased to have disobedient clerics demanding from him the why and wherefores of the Holy See. The Holy Father has been very patient with the SSPX (remember that he was the one in the middle when he was Cardinal Ratzinger) and knows too well what is involved.
Per your first item:

wdtprs.com/blog/2011/06/quaeritur-does-the-sspx-say-the-ordinary-form-is-invalid-or-not-legitimate/

second item: I think that is the exact reason he has done what he has so far in both an offensive and defensive manner, tactically speaking.
 
Trevor, you might wish to listen to this address from Arch Bishop Sheen before you lump him in with those who did not realize problems resulting from the “Spirit of Vatican II” crowd.
keepthefaith.org/detail.aspx?ID=23

And watch all four parts of this lecture on youtube of Arch Bishop Sheen for free:
youtube.com/watch?v=7z3-F71abro&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD34384DF4733B329
Will do. I have no doubt he had problems with “the spirit” of it, there was problems after Trent and was referred to as the “spirit of Trent”. Main issue with me is observing the written word and applying it in a non-contradictory way with the past, which is fairly easy with Vat II. I blame “the spirit” of it on Catholics who thought it was a green light to throw out the past, abuse the liturgy, cast out holy images in churches, etc… and abuse the Most Holy Sacrament without confessing mortal sins :mad: . As our Holy Father said, there are two movements in the Church, one of continuity and discontinuity and the latter is being phased out by this new generation who understand and practice continuity. And I’m so glad to be part of this generation, as I’m counting the days till I’m able to take up my vocation.
 
I think so long as the Church allows the SSPX to be within a gray area, then the defense will come.
I totally agree. The gray area is what allows for defense, but if Rome ever says they are in schism and tells the faithful not to attend any of their masses, then Roma Locuta Est – Causa Finita Est.
 
The SSPX believes they are holding fast to the Sacred Traditions of the Church.They desire to preserve the Traditions and Mass of the pre-Conciliar Church. I understand the premise and in some ways admire their willingness to preserve these Traditions.
What i find curious, and sometimes disturbing, is that such angst is spent considering how to regularize the SSPX, yet disobedient Priests and Bishops in other areas of the world are either ignored or very mildly urged to come into full communion with Rome. Look at the open rebellion of the Priests in Ireland and Austria, Australia and even in the U.S. Look at the Religious who continually take positions in direct disobedience to Catholic Dogma in regards to abortion, homosexuality, divorce with little or no redress from either their respective Bishops or the USCCB.
Perhaps, just perhaps the Chrism of the SSPX could help all of the Church in regaining a love for the Sacred and realize what true obedience to the Magesterium, Tradition and the Holy Father really is.
Excellent post. I personally believe that there is a reason that they exist, whether I totally agree with them or not. They are serving a purpose.
 
Totally agree.

Between the two, I’d prefer to see the reaction from the Holy See come out first, though I realize the patience in refraining from what SSPX would see as an attack.

Tactically, the Church is sound. It is forcing the attack from SSPX and through that, they will eventually be forced to approach the position of the Vatican. Once there, they will be forced to realize they can’t win and maintain the integrity of the Church. That will be the time the Holy See is able to show how forgiving he is, and Christ is, of rebellion- as good as the intent was.

SSPX, at this point, is echoing St. Peter’s dream and screaming “we’ve never eaten any unclean thing!”.

SSPX will eventually either reconcile themselves totally to Rome in understanding of that with which they currently disagree, or, they will enter formal schism. The latter would be detrimental to the Church and even worse- the SSPX.

As such, the burden is on the Church, but the burden of proof cannot be beneficial to the SSPX until they admit the Church is bearing this burden, and they, in seeking to define the Church, are forcing the burden on themselves, and not the other way around. Therefore, they must act without pride should they believe the Pope is valid and legitimate. The Pope says Vatican II is valid. He says the Novus Ordo Mass is valid. I don’t get it either. But I refuse to operate outside of the Pope’s wishes when he provides a means for all things pre-Vatican II in practice with the FSSP. To leave that, ya might as well move in with the Dimond brothers and engage in masturbatory theological speculation.
Great post!
 
If I may make several observations without throwing stones at the SSPX or His Excellency.

I’ve read all of these posts and no one here has mentioned a key player in all of this. Every time that the SSPX comes up he is left out of the loop, but he is the man holding the key. Allow me to be ambiguous for a minute. When Bl. John Paul was pope, who took care of the daily problems while Pope John Paul dealt with the big picture?

If you said, Cardinal Ratzinger, you get a prize. It is no secret that this whole dialogue was placed in the hands of three theologians: a Jesuit, a Dominican and a Holy Cross (Opus Dei) under the direction of the Prefect for the Sacred Congregation for the Faith, Cardinal Levada. Why are you people ignoring this man?

He is the one who gave the SSPX the Preamble. I bring up the Cardinal, because if the SSPX bishops get too mouthy, the Cardinal has the authority to slam and dunk them. The pope will back him up. He will report to the Pope his impressions and make his suggestions and they will carry a lot of weight.

This leads me to the second point about this sermon. His Excellency spends too much time criticizing the Holy See. At one point he actually says, “You’re Modernists”. Having had a father who was a career diplomat, I learned a few things. One of them was that you never get into name calling when you’re negotiating. Name calling can be the death knoll of a negotiation. My father always said that if you start name calling, you’re no longer trying to negotiate, you’re attacking. I’m not inside His Excellency’s head. I don’t know if this crossed his mind when he used this unfortunate wording.

My other point is related. When you take name calling out to the crowds, as the bishop has done, it amounts to swarming. Some of you have pointed the finger at priests, bishops and religious who are disobedient and even heretical. The truth is that this has happened. There is a difference here. They have not gotten into a confrontation with the Holy See itself. The Holy See can step back and allow the lower levels of authority to deal with the problem. When you get in the Holy See’s face and you call it “Modernist” and you say “No *” you’ve raised the bar. You’ve gone beyond heterodoxy, beyond disobedience, beyond whatever other rules other people have broken. You have elevated yourself to a position of “equals”. Equals get in each other’s face, though it’s not a pretty picture. When a subordinate acts and talks as if he’s a peer, it’s insubordination.

As much as many of us would like to know the answers to some questions that the SSPX is asking, see the Holy See make some changes here and there, most of us who are clergy and religious, would never have the audacity to speak to the Holy See as if we were equals calling it names and stating flatly that we will not obey, even if we’re angry as heck.

Some people may admire that as honesty. I fear that it’s defiance. Don’t get me wrong. Other people are defiant too; but they do their defying under the radar, like teenagers. When they get caught, there are consequences, but they may not be as harsh, because they did not push authority.

An observation in defense of the Holy See, especially Cardinal Levada and his staff, the SSPX has told us what it considers to be wrong with Rome. Some of it is clear, reasonable, unreasonable and some makes no sense. Regardless, they minced no words in chewing up Rome and spitting it out.

Meanwhile, Rome has acted like a lady. She has not said a single negative word about the SSPX. I don’t believe that it’s because the SSPX is so perfect, behaved so well during these discussion and impressed the Holy See so much that it left the Holy See in awe. If that were the case, the Holy See would have given the SSPX a welcome home party last September and not a Preamble.

Obviously, the Holy See has its own opinions about the SSPX, but it has not taken them to the public. In fairness, it behooves us to acknowledge the politeness and discretion of the Holy See in this matter. Maybe we should express some gratitude for its dignified behavior. The Vatican has been much more gracious than the SSPX.

I would have been very simple for the Bishop to state that unfortunately they had be unable to reach an agreement. He could have told the people that things are at a standstill or that he’s awaiting a response to his response. He could have even enumerated the points that they still want clarified. That would have been acceptable and informative.

He could have done that with the utmost dignity, appropriate for a bishop, without the attitude. What I found that appalling from a bishop at a pulpit. Even Father Kung, was the epitome of a gentleman when he met with the pope. His comments after the meeting were brief. He did speak on the disagreements, but did not express himself with an attitude as if he were the pope’s equal.

I’ll close by recalling the fist time that I met Cardinal Ratzinger. I had heard that this man was the “pope’s Rottweiler” I was shaking in my boots as I walked into his office. I left in a state of shock. The man was everything that was courteous and humble. I was the subordinate. He did not have to be so polite and charming to me. Had he been distant or aloof, I would have accepted it. I look at the marked difference in the behaviors and it frightens me. At the end of the day, the attitude can make or break any negotiation.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :)*
 
I think so long as the Church allows the SSPX to be within a gray area, then the defense will come. I don’t think someone can still claim to be a faithful Catholic and support a group in schism if they are so formally excommunicated.

I think the Church should be decisive on this matter. Not to keep the SSPX away, continue to work with them but formally declare that they are out of communion. I think it will help resolve the issues much quicker. There is no sense of urgency from the SSPX right now because they enjoy the benefits of being in that gray area, in that they can argue themselves into legitimacy. If the Church officially says, “let us continue to talk and hopefully resolve this but until then you are out of communion,” then we may get somewhere.
And how does that exactly help with ecumenism? I thought that was one of the areas that you were so ardent on? Pardon my bluntness, but you seem to be so very passionate to encourage union with the Eastern Orthodox, but when we talk about unity regarding the Society of St. Pius X, you seem to so very easily push them aside. I find that hypocritical.

I find the news very upsetting, and we must pray for unity in the Church, and for the intentions of the Holy Father. Pray for God’s Will be done.
 
Rorate Caeli is reporting that Bishop Fellay said “We are ready”. I’m confused… anybody else? I hope this report is accurate.

And, as always, Br J, thank you for your analysis.
 
I read that report, but couldn’t make sense of it. When I saw the title “We are ready”, I was hoping an agreement was reached, but the article accompanying it just confused me. :confused:
Rorate Caeli is reporting that Bishop Fellay said “We are ready”. I’m confused… anybody else? I hope this report is accurate.

And, as always, Br J, thank you for your analysis.
 
Rorate Caeli is reporting that Bishop Fellay said “We are ready”. I’m confused… anybody else? I hope this report is accurate.

And, as always, Br J, thank you for your analysis.
PART I

This is really a commentary of the Bishop’s position all along. It’s not the actual sermon. Basically it says the following.
  1. Bishop Fellay told the Vatican that they were ready for regularization, provided that they were accepted as they are. We know that the Vatican has said no to this not only to the SSPX, but to every other Traditionalist institute.
  2. The writer is telling us that Bishop Fellay remains faithful to the ideals of Archbishop Lefebre, who believed that it was better to be faithful to tradition than to be obedient to law.We know that both Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict have said that you can be and must be both, no compromises.
  3. The writer is telling us that the response to the preamble was to decline it. We knew that already.
  4. He’s telling us that Bishop Fellay’s position is that the SSPX is with Rome, but engaged in a battle with Rome. He has always said this and Rome has always disagreed. For that reason, he has no canonical status. Rome’s position is clear, you can’t fight with Rome and be with Rome.
There is nothing new here and nothing that adds or takes anything away from the first article or the observations made by Fr. Z, which I thought were well made and respectful to both sides.

I’m not sure what the author wants to tell us. My guess is that he wants to send a message to Traditionalists not to lose hope. He’s not really giving us any new information.

That’s my two cents on the article.

PART II

On a related subject . . . I’m gong to go on a limb here and say that I predict that the Vatican will read the response to the Preamble and will certainly listen to this speech very carefully, as well as review some letters that SSPX priests have sent to local bishops, letters that were very rude, even when they made some valid points. It was like the kid who tells his parents that they are wrong for not taking him to mass, but uses the profanity in arguing his case. :eek: These letters have been forward to Cardinal Levada.

I believe that after reading all of this, the Vatican will NOT send the SSPX away. At the end of the day, priests and religious we must be compassionate and we must have a fervent desire to save souls. The priests and bishops of the SSPX deserve our compassion and they certainly have as much right as anyone else to count on our effort for their salvation.

However, I believe that the Vatican will NOT tolerate the attitude and the rhetoric. Some consequences will follow. I just can’t imagine what they may be.

I also believe that, that this sermon may have hurt the SSPX. There are many SSPX priests who were looking forward to a reconciliation. There is a possibility that they will get tired and simply leave the SSPX to join one of the Ecclesia Dei institutes. These are human beings and many are young men. After a while, you do say to yourself, “This is getting old.”

I do NOT believe that the dying generation of Vatican II bishops will bring any benefit to the SSPX. The only benefit is a generation of more conservative and orthodox theologians.

However, this is the John Paul II generation. This generation was brought into the priesthood and into religious life through the pastoral outreach of this holy pope. We responded to him and looked at him as a father, not as villain. The SSPX sometimes paints him in a very bad light, not a good idea with this generation. We don’t tolerate someone throwing our father’s dirt in our faces and adding some, which is what tends to happen with radical liberalism and radical traditionalism.

Bl. John Paul was very wise and knew how to cultivate this generation. As he grew older, once he had its trust and love, he gently guided it to place that trust and give that love to the man in the Chair of Peter, not just him.

This generation that is rising to replace the “Vatican II” generation has the most positive regard for the genius of Pope Benedict XVI. It also has a much stronger attachment to the papacy than the Vatican II generation. The papacy has become an essential part of this generation’s identity as either priests or religious or both (in the case of regular priests). It’s spirituality and its ministry is shaped by the spirituality and example of Popes John Paul and Benedict. I know what I’m talking about, because this is my generation.

Many of us were children during Vatican II and others were born after. By the time we took notice of Vatican II, it had lost some of it’s glamour. But we learned to look at Vatican II through the eyes of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Why? Because these men earned our respect and our love. They reached out to us when we were young.

The generation that is taking charge today is composed of men who do not take kindly to their pope being given ultimatums, called names or spoken about as if one were speaking about a commoner. We have grown up with a very strong sense of fidelity to the papacy, because it strengthens our identity as Catholics and as priests, brothers, sisters, deacons and theologians.

I fear that the generation that Bishop Fellay hopes will be more sympathetic may be more antagonistic, unless the SSPX starts to speak nicely to popes and bishops. This is a much more defensive generation. It defends the Catholic faith and it defends Catholic authority, be it the pope, the bishop or the religious superior. I believe that a defensive dog is more likely to bite than a barking one.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
PART I

PART II

On a related subject . . . I’m gong to go on a limb here and say that I predict that the Vatican will read the response to the Preamble and will certainly listen to this speech very carefully, as well as review some letters that SSPX priests have sent to local bishops, letters that were very rude, even when they made some valid points. It was like the kid who tells his parents that they are wrong for not taking him to mass, but uses the profanity in arguing his case. :eek: These letters have been forward to Cardinal Levada.

I believe that after reading all of this, the Vatican will NOT send the SSPX away. At the end of the day, priests and religious we must be compassionate and we must have a fervent desire to save souls. The priests and bishops of the SSPX deserve our compassion and they certainly have as much right as anyone else to count on our effort for their salvation.

**However, I believe that the Vatican will NOT tolerate the attitude and the rhetoric. Some consequences will follow. I just can’t imagine what they may be.
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I also believe that, that this sermon may have hurt the SSPX. There are many SSPX priests who were looking forward to a reconciliation. There is a possibility that they will get tired and simply leave the SSPX to join one of the Ecclesia Dei institutes. These are human beings and many are young men. After a while, you do say to yourself, “This is getting old.”

I do NOT believe that the dying generation of Vatican II bishops will bring any benefit to the SSPX. The only benefit is a generation of more conservative and orthodox theologians.

However, this is the John Paul II generation. This generation was brought into the priesthood and into religious life through the pastoral outreach of this holy pope. We responded to him and looked at him as a father, not as villain. The SSPX sometimes paints him in a very bad light, not a good idea with this generation. We don’t tolerate someone throwing our father’s dirt in our faces and adding some, which is what tends to happen with radical liberalism and radical traditionalism.

Bl. John Paul was very wise and knew how to cultivate this generation. As he grew older, once he had its trust and love, he gently guided it to place that trust and give that love to the man in the Chair of Peter, not just him.

This generation that is rising to replace the “Vatican II” generation has the most positive regard for the genius of Pope Benedict XVI. It also has a much stronger attachment to the papacy than the Vatican II generation. The papacy has become an essential part of this generation’s identity as either priests or religious or both (in the case of regular priests). It’s spirituality and its ministry is shaped by the spirituality and example of Popes John Paul and Benedict. I know what I’m talking about, because this is my generation.

Many of us were children during Vatican II and others were born after. By the time we took notice of Vatican II, it had lost some of it’s glamour. But we learned to look at Vatican II through the eyes of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Why? Because these men earned our respect and our love. They reached out to us when we were young.

The generation that is taking charge today is composed of men who do not take kindly to their pope being given ultimatums, called names or spoken about as if one were speaking about a commoner. We have grown up with a very strong sense of fidelity to the papacy, because it strengthens our identity as Catholics and as priests, brothers, sisters, deacons and theologians.

I fear that the generation that Bishop Fellay hopes will be more sympathetic may be more antagonistic, unless the SSPX starts to speak nicely to popes and bishops. This is a much more defensive generation. It defends the Catholic faith and it defends Catholic authority, be it the pope, the bishop or the religious superior. I believe that a defensive dog is more likely to bite than a barking one.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Brother J.R., I acknowledge your points, but i would ask in all candor and charity when one might expect this same level of scrutiny for all of the dissenters that are Rife within those who “ARE” in full communion? I will refrain from naming names, but you know of whom i speak and i have yet to see the USCCB, or many, not all, Diocesan Bishops make one public statement against many who show up for Mass every Sunday, publicly, and receive Communion while holding on to scandalous positions. Priests publicly in disobedience with their Bishops. Bishops who publicly condone scandalous activities within their Diocese. I pray for a reunification between the SSPX and Rome, but i also Pray for Rome to reign in ALL of the dissenters who lead Souls to error. If some chose error over Truth, so be it. But for the sake of all Faithful, we need a house cleaning.
 
The latest has BF saying, "We are ready."

These words truly belong to Bishop Fellay. They were pronounced in Winona, Minnesota, on February 2, on the occasion of the conferral of the cassocks in the American seminary of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX). Do they summarize the entire thinking of the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X? In any event, not less than all those that were used, distorted or taken from their context, by some journalists who impatiently picked the headlines “The failure of the negotiations”, or still, “We could not go further in the confusion”. Moved by a growing panic as news of the regularization of the Fraternity move closer in time, Progressives and Sedevacantists now advance hand in hand, the first not even hesitating to quote the second. “From enemies that they were, they were made friends,” says Holy Writ.

more…

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
 
The latest has BF saying, "We are ready."

These words truly belong to Bishop Fellay.
I’m not anti-Bishop Fellay but I read this a little differently:

“if you accept us as is, without change, without obliging us to accept these things, then we are ready.”

I imagine some hypotheticals are standard when negotiating.
 
Brother J.R., I acknowledge your points, but i would ask in all candor and charity when one might expect this same level of scrutiny for all of the dissenters that are Rife within those who “ARE” in full communion?

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but i also Pray for Rome to reign in ALL of the dissenters who lead Souls to error. If some chose error over Truth, so be it. But for the sake of all Faithful, we need a house cleaning.
Unfortunately these things do happen. Happily, they don’t happen in the large numbers that some would like us to think. It’s always the case that the misbehaved kid in the class gets more attention that the kid who sits quietly doing his work. This is no different. There are some rascals out there, no doubt about that. They are not as many. They’re just very obvious.

As to when and how they will be dealt with. I can give you several scenarios.
  1. The Holy Father and the Holy See will not get involved in most of these cases, unless they have something to do with the Holy See or the pope himself. Otherwise, the Principle of Subsidiarity applies. The local bishop has authority over diocesan priests and laity. The religious superiors have authority over regular priests, brothers and sisters. It’s their job to fix these problem.
  2. Unless a priest or a religious violates a canon that explicitly says that you are suspended, excommunicated or dismissed. bishops and superiors are very limited in what they can do. They can certainly suspend priests. Maybe it should happen more often.
  3. A bishop cannot ask a religious to leave his diocese, even if the religious were were stealing from the poor box. This would bring the wrath of the pope on him. The only religious who answer to a bishop are those who belong to diocesan congregations. Most belong to Pontifical Institutes. They answer to their superior who answers to the pope. Popes do not mess with religious orders. It’s too complicated.
  4. It is difficult to have a uniform system of discipline and penalties, because it’s not in the law. What one bishop may find intolerable, another may tolerate, because he is short 25 priests Fortunately for the second bishop, the law does not demand a suspension because Father is doing nonsense.
  5. When there is a violation of Canon Law or the rule of a religious community, the penalties are imposed. If the person does not respond to the penalty, then the issue goes up the chain of command. First, it will hit the proper Congregation in the Holy See to deal with it. They’re very good at this. Rarely does it have to go to the pope, but it has happened.
  6. Sometimes the Church will issue a penalty that may not be too obvious to us, but it is obvious to the individual. If the individual accepts it, then the case comes to an end.
  7. The priests of the SSPX are in a different kind of bind, even though they may be more Catholic than some other people. These men accepted to be ordained by an excommunicated bishop and now by a suspended bishop. The automatic penalty is suspension. The Church is not punishing them. The law is.
Just this morning, I read about a case where the bishop asked for a pastor’s resignation because he refused to use the revised Roman Missal. The bishop asked for the resignation. If the priest had not submitted his resignation, the bishop could have raised the bar and suspended him. Since the priest has handed in his resignation, the case is over. He remains in good standing with the Church, because he accepted the consequence. He just doesn’t have a job. He remains part of that diocese until he dies or he asks to be admitted to another diocese.

As you can see, it’s really about what law you break and what the law says is a proper consequence. If the law does not specify a penalty, it’s a unilateral decision made by the immediate person in authority, bishop or religious superior. Some are more strict than others. That’s just human nature.

You don’t have to make a public decree to excommunicate a politician who votes for abortion. There is a law for that. The moment he casts that vote, knowing that he will be excommunicated, the law kicks in. If he does not know that he will be excommunicated, he only knows that it will make the bishop angry, then the excommunication cannot take effect. The bishop has to call him in privately. We will not know what the bishop said until the politician talks first, as was the case with Patrick Kennedy. There was a recent case where the bishop called in a politician and told him or her about the consequences. The person ignored the consequence and revealed to the public that the bishop had informed him that he could not receive Holy Communion. Then the bishop came out in public and ordered everyone in his diocese to deny him Holy Communion. He blew his cover, not the bishop. Bishops try to be kind to you in the hope that you will come back and all will be healed.

Conferences of bishops have no authority over bishops, priests, deacons, brothers or sisters. They only have authority over the laity. Even then, canon law along with the Pope set limits on the conferences. The USCCB’s authority is not infinite.

I don’t know if this helped understnad the complexity. I realize that it does not take away the frustration.

In summary, the situation is very complicated. The Church is too big. The issues are too many. There is not a punishment for every offense. Popes hate getting involved in the issues of religious and the dioceses. They have more important things to do than deal with problem children. Most of the time it’s left to the person in immediate authority. It may be the.dioceses, a religious superior or the two working together.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m not anti-Bishop Fellay but I read this a little differently:

“if you accept us as is, without change, without obliging us to accept these things, then we are ready.”

I imagine some hypotheticals are standard when negotiating.
That’s how I understood it. But that is not news. Is it?

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF 🙂
 
i would ask in all candor and charity when one might expect this same level of scrutiny for all of the dissenters that are Rife within those who “ARE” in full communion?
Since when does pointing to one group of dissenters justify the actions of another?
 
I think it’s pretty useless to talk about this stuff until a formal statement from either the Holy See or the SSPX comes out.
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf has followed the situation for years. I think if he sees a need to comment, I am at least interested in it. Hopefully, this excert is some sort of political pandering and not representative of Bp. Fellay’s position. If it is, then as Fr. Zuhlsdorf said.
“In a time when more and more we need Catholic unity, after reading Bp. Fellay’s words it is hard to understand how the SSPX is not on a course to formal schism.”

I have been very pleased to see the pose that the Holy Father and Cardinal Levada have shown during this negotiation. They are examples to us all of living as Jesus would. I will pray that this might be passed on sometime to Bishop Fellay.
 
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