Bishop Ignoring Church Law

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Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/…Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
 
Im not caught up in my termanology, what exactly is an icon screen?
 
um, didn’t you have an earlier post where you said this?
Dated May 22:
My church does not contain an icon screen.The people at my parish dont want one and as far as im concered we are not missing anything. Icon screens big deal who really needs one. For the parishes that have one good for you, thats why so many EC churches are closing because they dont accept changes like this. Theirs nothing wrong with my church and its worship.Also, the Divine Litergys are celebrated as they should be open and with musical accompanyment. Lets think about this for a second if your churches werent founded by people clining to the old ways your church would not have one either.Were having a hard enough time surviving in this world without our worship being covered up.
Haven’t you done a 180 here?
 
Im not caught up in my termanology, what exactly is an icon screen?
AKA the Iconostasis is a central part of a Byzantine Catholic or Orthodox temple.
The Holy Fathers envisioned the church building as consisting of three mystical parts. …the church is the earthly heaven where God, Who is above heaven, dwells and abides …St. Simeon the New Theologian, the [Vestibule] corresponds to earth, the [Nave] to heaven, and the holy [Altar] to what is above heaven [Book on the House of God, Ch. 12].
Following these interpretations, the Iconostasis also has a symbolic meaning. It is seen as the boundary between two worlds: the Divine and the human, the permanent and the transitory. The Holy Icons denote that the Savior, His Mother and the Saints, whom they represent, abide both in Heaven and among men. Thus the Iconostasis both divides the Divine world from the human world, but also unites these same two worlds into one whole a place where all separation is overcome and where reconciliation between God and man is achieved. Standing on the boundary between the Divine and the human, the Iconostasis reveals, by means of its Icons, the ways to this reconciliation.
 

Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/…Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
My feedback-- I didn’t post on your other thread complaining that the EC bishop is not accessible to you, but for that and this post I would give my experience that at least in the Latin Church Diocese and Archdiocese I am connected to there are many people, mostly priests, in positions assisting their bishop/archbishop. Depending on the size of your Eparchy your bishop likely has similar people assisting him with the various concerns of the Eparchy. At least in the Latin Church there is a priest who deals mainly with problems with priests, complaints and other issues, in the diocese. There is another person whose focus is on liturgical issues that arise in the diocese. And of course there is the tribunal which deals with issues of canon law. Bishops East and West could not possibly deal directly with every issue that is raised by the people in their care.

As concerns the letter you sent there are two issues I see in what you have written. First, you have basic errors in the English itself. Second, if you seek to address a bishop it is best to find out the correct way to format a letter to him. You’ve written something that passes as an email-- totally informal and with mistakes, but isn’t really appropriate for correspondence to your bishop.

More importantly perhaps (although proper formality it important) is the way you’ve approached your topic. I’m not sure how long you’ve been involved with an Eastern Church but saying something should be done because it’s required by a Canon is the Latin approach, not the Eastern approach. If you want to talk about the need for an Iconostasis in a Byzantine temple in my opinion you should be saying why, from an Eastern perspective, it needs to be there. Do you know, from an Eastern perspective, why it needs to be there? If not you can read the references I’ve posted earlier for that and look for additional teaching on this.

I think a priest or a bishop or anyone can look past the lack of good form in your written letter if the meat of the letter speaks meaningfully to the issue. If the only reason you care about the missing Iconostasis is because a canon requires it that speaks of not having a basic grasp of our worship, of what is behind that canon. What do you lack and what does the worship lack when there is no Iconostasis?

You say you sent this letter to the chancery “along” (a long) time ago. What is “a long time”? Four days ago in your post on the topic of having no Iconostasis you said:
My church does not contain an icon screen.The people at my parish dont want one and as far** as im concered we are not missing anything. Icon screens big deal who really needs one**.
It makes no sense to me that you made a formal compliant to the bishop about something you said is no big deal. It seems like you’ve done a 180 at least twice from the description you’ve given us. Perhaps you need to slow down, pray about this and find a good spiritual father or mother to help you focus your concerns.

I hope you will slow down, and will calmly read my post and consider my feedback. 🙂
 
Dear brother hjig22,

Canon Law states that for eparchies of a sui juris Church constituted outside the Traditional territory of a sui juris Church, your local bishop has full authority over the matter, unless the Pope approves the Patriarchal law which would then make it not only Patriarchal, but also universal.

In other words, your bishop has the final say.

Blessings,
Marduk

Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/…Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
 

Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/…Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
The issue could be more complicated than you might think. How is your parish doing in terms of funds? Can your parish afford an iconostasis? Things are not always in black and white. Not just because you see something in the particular law of the Church means you can wave it at them and they will immediately do it. You have to know the entire issue first and it seems to me from what you have been posting on this site, you don’t know the story behind it. So please be charitable and know the whole story first.
 

Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/…Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
He has to take reasonable and appropriate steps to cure it. He doesn’t actually have to respond to YOU.

If you feel it important enough to pursue, send an email to his secretary asking if the letter arrived, and mention that you were wondering because you hadn’t heard anything.

And remember; the church tends to move at only slightly faster than a glacier.
 
Please respond to this urgent situation
how is it urgent if the complaint arose so long ago?

urgent is the Eucharist being threatened with sacrilege or celebrated invalidly, or Mass celebrated illicitly.

your bishop is not here so no response you get here is going to address your situation.
 

Hi, I sent this along time ago to my bishop and he has not responded.What do you do if your canadian Ukranian bishop is ignoring your letter, which means he is ignoring church law.The church says you need an icon screen.He must think not.​

Hello, I recently attended Sunday Litergy at Holy Cross church in ********.I could not believe it but they had no icon screen.When I asked someone why they simply said they didnt want one. As you and I both know its not that simple, it comes down to that particular rites law.
UGCC particular law (2006 translation):

Can. 116 (CCEO c. 886) An iconostas is to be erected in every church, according to liturgical norms.

archeparchy.ca/documents/Particular_Law_Canons.pdf

The bishop must do something about this they should not be allowed to disregard and disrespect church law any longer.This is the same law the bishop took an oath to uphold. All I ask is that the bishop make this wrong a right. If I hear that this serious matter is not addressed as it should be, then that leaves me no choice but to keep at it. I can not talk to my pastor about this, as he is in America and doesnt have anything to do with this eparchy. That is why I must address this in an email to the bishop. Please respond
Since CCEO is common law and it designates that the liturgical norms are to be followed regarding iconostasis, and the Major Archepiscopal Synod has power everywhere in liturgical matters once promulgated. I wonder it this is promulgated everywhere.

You link is broken. This is it:
archeparchy.ca/documents/Particular_Law_Canons.pdf

CCEO:
intratext.com/IXT/ENG1199/_INDEX.HTM

Instruction for Applying the Liturgical Prescriptions of the CCEO:
byzcath.org/faith/documents/instruction.htm
 
Hate to break it to you, but I have also attended a Ukrainian Catholic church that lacked an iconostasis. It looked very Roman Catholic. Its sister church is almost the opposite. A beautiful iconostasis. Only thing in it that says it is not Orthodox is the Stations of the Cross.

Some churches cannot afford to erect an iconostasis. Some perishioners are used to the way their church is and do not want it to change. It is the house where they worship God.

It is also important to note that Eastern Catholics have experienced much difficulty in practicing the faith. The ban of married clergy and push toward more Latin oriented practices about 100 years ago or so caused a number of churches to go back to Orthodoxy (hence the creation of the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Church). Those who stayed Eastern Catholic simply adapted and have accepted these things.

The more important and pressing issue to me is the amount of Orthodox and Eastern Catholic churches being closed and put up for sale. Visiting the old mining towns is getting very sad, but that is another discussion entirely…

I can only emphasize that you speak with the parish priest and perhaps other parishioners first and if you have, then I am not sure what else to say…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius :cool:
 
Hate to break it to you, but I have also attended a Ukrainian Catholic church that lacked an iconostasis. It looked very Roman Catholic. Its sister church is almost the opposite. A beautiful iconostasis. Only thing in it that says it is not Orthodox is the Stations of the Cross.

Some churches cannot afford to erect an iconostasis. Some perishioners are used to the way their church is and do not want it to change. It is the house where they worship God.

It is also important to note that Eastern Catholics have experienced much difficulty in practicing the faith. The ban of married clergy and push toward more Latin oriented practices about 100 years ago or so caused a number of churches to go back to Orthodoxy (hence the creation of the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Church). Those who stayed Eastern Catholic simply adapted and have accepted these things.

The more important and pressing issue to me is the amount of Orthodox and Eastern Catholic churches being closed and put up for sale. Visiting the old mining towns is getting very sad, but that is another discussion entirely…

I can only emphasize that you speak with the parish priest and perhaps other parishioners first and if you have, then I am not sure what else to say…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius :cool:
That may be true here in the West, but the Patriarch of Moscow hopes to build 200 churches in Moscow and the locals believe they can do it. A change of the guard I see, in the East. The West is closing and the East is opening. Not all of the East unfortunately, thanks in part to Islam fanatics.
 
I thought there had to be some sort of an icon screen no matter what the funds are. Something to divide the Divine from the Ordinary. It doesn’t have to be elaborate.

I have no idea what the Church laws are regarding Eastern Catholic Churches though so I am not one to speak. I only have a friend who is Byzantine Catholic and I thought I remember her telling me this.

Blessings.
 
The basic definition of an iconostasis would be an Icon of Christ Pantokrator and the Theotokos. They can even be regular icons that is on a stand of some sort. I believe that would be the bare minimum. Although I have seen parishes that doesn’t have those two Icons between the altar and the nave at all.
 
I thought there had to be some sort of an icon screen no matter what the funds are. Something to divide the Divine from the Ordinary. It doesn’t have to be elaborate.

I have no idea what the Church laws are regarding Eastern Catholic Churches though so I am not one to speak. I only have a friend who is Byzantine Catholic and I thought I remember her telling me this.

Blessings.
It’s required in the Ruthenian service books and Ruthenian Particular law to have at least those two icons, and to have a defined sanctuary, as a minimum.

Usually, those two icons are used to define the “royal doorway” when in a church without a proper iconostas, but occasionally, they will be to the far sides of the sanctuary.

Our mission uses 4 stands; St John the Forerunner and Blessed Theodore are the other two.
 
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