Bishop of Rome before "Pope"?

[NotWorthy]

If you want to claim a devoloping scenario you must recognize that it is an oak tree from a water melon seed. Problem is the vat 1 said it was known for all ages…

“Or from a child to a man”, would be more accurate.

To give credence to your watermelon/oak tree comment, at what point did it cross-over?

 

[myfavoritmartin]

You see this in the letter from St. Clement to the Corinthians, where he apologizes for taking so long to respond due to local problems in Rome.

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John can you direct the readers to this paragraph? I believe I am familiar but would like to be sure.

 

[NotWorthy]

Problem is the vat 1 said it was known for all ages…

As was Transubstantiation. As was the Trinity. But yet not in it’s fulness (as the oak tree represents from an acorn theory represents).

 

[myfavoritmartin]

St. Clement and Pope Victor?

Catholics constantly see universal authority in Clement, but not others…

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Catholics constantly see universal authority in Clement, but not others…

I’m not arguing that either Rome or Clement weren’t vitally important to early Christianity, just not the Universal authority.

 

[Angainor]

Angainor:

What Gregory is basically saying is that Peter is not the universal apostle, even considering keys, binding, and loosing. I agree.

Refuted above. Read his letters. I doubt he had ever mentioned Paul as the prince of apostles.

What do you mean “refuted above”? What’s refuted? Gregory said Peter is not the universal apostle. “…yet he is not called the universal apostle”.

 

[Angainor]

EPISTLE XLI.
TO CASTORIUS,
BISHOP.
Gregory to Castorius, Bishop of Ariminum (Rimini).
We therefore interdict in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and forbid by the authority of the blessed Peter, Prince of the apostles, in whose stead we preside over this Roman Church,

No need to shout. I get it, I get it. Gregory, in the chair of Peter, presided over the Roman Church. He once wrote a letter to Castorius, who apparently presided over the Ariminuman Church.

 

[Angainor]

Merely kind words?

Jerome, To Pope Damasus, Epistle 15:1-2 (A.D. 375).
"…. This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails.”

Yes, kind words. Unless you think Jerome was some kind of an infallible prognosticator, Jerome’s words only apply to Peter’s chair as it existed in A.D. 375.

We cannot know what Jerome would say about today’s Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Pontifex Maximus, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

 

[NotWorthy]

Catholics constantly see universal authority in Clement, but not others…

Sola Scripturists constantly see sole authority in the Bible, but not others.

I fail to see your point.

 

[NotWorthy]

John can you direct the readers to this paragraph? I believe I am familiar but would like to be sure.

OK, here it is:

Letter to the Corinthians (Clement)

**Chapter 1. The Salutation. Praise of the Corinthians Before the Breaking Forth of Schism Among Them.**

The church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the church of God sojourning at Corinth, to them that are called and sanctified by the will of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, from Almighty God through Jesus Christ, be multiplied.

Owing, dear brethren, to the sudden and successive calamitous events which have happened to ourselves, we feel that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the points respecting which you consulted us; and especially to that shameful and detestable sedition, utterly abhorrent to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-confident persons have kindled to such a pitch of frenzy, that your venerable and illustrious name, worthy to be universally loved, has suffered grievous injury. For who ever dwelt even for a short time among you, and did not find your faith to be as fruitful of virtue as it was firmly established? Who did not admire the sobriety and moderation of your godliness in Christ? Who did not proclaim the magnificence of your habitual hospitality? And who did not rejoice over your perfect and well-grounded knowledge? For you did all things without respect of persons, and walked in the commandments of God, being obedient to those who had the rule over you, and giving all fitting honour to the presbyters among you. You enjoined young men to be of a sober and serious mind, you instructed your wives to do all things with a blameless, becoming, and pure conscience, loving their husbands as in duty bound; and you taught them that, living in the rule of obedience, they should manage their household affairs becomingly, and be in every respect marked by discretion.