Bishop of San Jose: Do not deny sacraments, burial sought in good faith

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Dude, come on.

I did wonder how Paprocki’s stipulation would work when it comes to deathbed confessions. Like, if a gay man in a gay marriage repents as he dies, can the priest say he died repenting? Wouldn’t that be breaking the seal?

More Catholics need to read Leon Bloy. All I’m saying.
The bishop’s decree includes a stipulation, “unless there is an indication that the individuals have repented and accepted the Church’s teaching.”

apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/bishop-paprockis-same-sex-marriage-decree/2486/

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31942
 
Nope, the could verify that the person received Sacramental Absolution as part of Last Rites.

They could not reveal anything that was said in the context of a confession, but that a Sacrament was administered can be noted.
The bishop’s decree includes a stipulation, “unless there is an indication that the individuals have repented and accepted the Church’s teaching.”

apps.washingtonpost.com/g/doc…e-decree/2486/

catholicculture.org/news/…?storyid=31942
 
But what if he doesn’t repent? Should he still have a Catholic funeral?

It’s so tricky. Both sides make sense on some level. On one hand, the Church should maintain its integrity with regard to its teachings. But on the other hand, is it harmful to to pray for an unrepentant sinner? Is God displeased if an open and unrepentant sinner receives the same Christian burial as a lifelong devout Catholic? Or is it only elder-brothers-of-prodigal-sons who are displeased?
This is why we have bishops and why obedience is sometimes best.
 
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That’s a totally subjective assessment. You can easily find those who would think it scandalous to deny someone a funeral mass. I agree that the bishop-against-bishop environment is unfortunate, but how do we determine who is “right”? If, in some alternate universe, a rogue Muslim were to give a funeral to an unrepentant sinner after every priest and bishop did their correct religious “duty” by refusing to do one, we would find ourselves right in the middle of the Good Samaritan parable. Which “side” would you want to be in that parable?
It’s an objective assessment. As Trent Horn mentioned in his article, would it have been objectively scandalous if mobsters like John Gotti and Paul Castellano had received ecclesiastical funerals? Most likely. The case is the same for same sex couples who have a state-sanctioned marriage. But as Bishop Paprocki notes:
Jesus began his public ministry proclaiming the Gospel of God with these words: “This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:15). Applying this biblical teaching to the specific issue of funeral rites, people who had lived openly in same-sex “marriage,” like other manifest sinners that give public scandal, can receive ecclesiastical funeral rites if they have given some signs of repentance before their death.
Those who truly find it scandalous that such unrepentant persons are denied the Rite of Christian Burial are, in several cases, the same people who typically don’t find state sanctioned same-sex marriage inappropriate or immoral.

I think your analogy of a “rogue Muslim” fails, though. First off, a Muslim cannot preside over the Rite of Christian Burial, much less the Sacrifice of the Mass. Moreover, the priests and bishops in this “alternate universe” have done their pastoral duty by compassionately ensuring their flock is not scandalized by a public funeral for an unrepentant man who married another man in a state marriage ceremony. The Muslim can do whatever he wants, but he’s not responsible for the souls of the people in said bishops’ dioceses. He doesn’t resemble the Good Samaritan at all. The Good Samaritan was looking out for the good of another. The priests and bishops more closely mirror the Good Samaritan in your analogy, as they desired the good of another, namely, their flock. This, of course, doesn’t mean that said bishops or priests would not have prayed for the deceased person, for praying for them would indeed be looking out for the good of another.

In your other post, you said, “But on the other hand, is it harmful to to pray for an unrepentant sinner? Is God displeased if an open and unrepentant sinner receives the same Christian burial as a lifelong devout Catholic? Or is it only elder-brothers-of-prodigal-sons who are displeased?”

Of course it’s not harmful to pray for an unrepentant sinner. But as I noted previously, this doesn’t have to take place in the context of a Christian burial, which by its nature is a public event. Any person, and I do mean any person (Catholic or non-Catholic), can have the Holy Mass offered up for their intention. This includes the deceased man who civilly married another person of the same sex. You could offer up a Mass for the Unabomber if you wanted to, or John Gotti. But a public Rite of Christian Burial is another story. So the question isn’t “Is God displeased if an open and unrepentant sinner receives the same Christian burial as a lifelong devout Catholic?” Rather, the question should be “Would God be displeased if ‘any of these little ones’ are led into sin due to the scandal given by a public funeral rite?” This is why the Church forbids Christian burial in the face of manifest, unrepentant sinners; the Church is trying to protect those whose salvation is still being worked out on Earth.

But as Abucs pointed out, “When it comes right down to it there are only very small numbers who are affected.” Bishop Paprocki has merely made provisions for such uncommon cases. To suggest that anyone who agrees with Bishop Paprocki’s reaffirmation of Church teaching is like the Prodigal Son’s older brother is a bit unfair. I appreciate the compassion that the Bishop shows towards his flock, and the compassion he shows towards the deceased in not disallowing a Mass Intention to be offered for the repose of the soul of the deceased.

I don’t believe this was posted in the other thread, but once the media grabbed a hold of the story, Bishop Paprocki released this statement on the decree he issued. It would be good for all here to review his words:
These norms regarding same-sex “Marriage” and related pastoral issues are necessary in light of changes in the law and in our culture regarding these issues. Jesus Christ himself affirmed the privileged place of marriage in human and Christian society by raising it to the dignity of a sacrament. Consequently, the Church has not only the authority, but the serious obligation, to affirm its authentic teaching on marriage and to preserve and foster the sacred value of the married state. Regarding the specific issue of funeral rites, people who had lived openly in same-sex marriage, like other manifest sinners that give public scandal, can receive ecclesiastical funeral rites if they have given some signs of repentance before their death. Jesus began his public ministry proclaiming the Gospel of God with these words: “This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:15). People with same-sex attraction are welcome in our parishes in the Catholic Diocese of Springfield in Illinois as we repent our sins and pray for God to keep us in His grace.
 
It’s an objective assessment. As Trent Horn mentioned in his article, would it have been objectively scandalous if mobsters like John Gotti and Paul Castellano had received ecclesiastical funerals? Most likely.
sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/
adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

I’m sure there’s at least one person in the Gotti family who would have not found it scandalous if the mobsters had received ecclesiastical funerals, based on their own feelings. Those who find the idea scandalous are basing their feelings on… their feelings.
 
Nope, the could verify that the person received Sacramental Absolution as part of Last Rites.

They could not reveal anything that was said in the context of a confession, but that a Sacrament was administered can be noted.
Wouldn’t this solve all the confusion…?
 
Bishop of San Jose: Do not deny sacraments, burial sought in good faith

patheos.com/blogs/propernomenclature/san-jose-bishop-do-not-deny-sacraments-lgbt/

The Bishop of San Jose (Calif), Patrick Joseph McGrath, just released a letter that read:

This is very heartening.
Thank you, ComplineSanFran. The words of our bishops matter much more to me than comments made on catholic.com, catholic.org, etc etc.

But honestly, I’m slightly surprised that Bishop McGrath issued such a statement. Clearly, it is a very hot topic for the news media that the bishop of one of the 195 dioceses in the US issued a statement denying funerals to same-sex-married persons … it seems to me that Bishop McGrath’s statement fans the flames all the more.

Just a thought.
 
The argument seems to be “benefit of the doubt” versus “we’re sliding down a slippery slope of heresy and sacrilege”.
 
I am curious why people are speaking only of deathbeds and funerals. The Bishops letter states: 'We will not refuse sacraments or Christian Burial to anyone who requests them in good faith.

Finally, let us remember and be guided by the words of Pope Francis: “The Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak."

It seems to me that he is referring to any sacrament - including the Eucharist - as well as a Catholic burial.

Or am I reading it mistakenly?
I think you are reading it the way you always read these things through the eyes of an protestant who protests the Catholic Church.

A Catholic that who presents themselves or requests the sacraments in good faith would can only be understood in the light of Catholic teaching. COnfess your sins and repent. The way of the Lord and his sacraments are open to all in his Church.
 
I am curious why people are speaking only of deathbeds and funerals. The Bishops letter states: 'We will not refuse sacraments or Christian Burial to anyone who requests them in good faith.

Finally, let us remember and be guided by the words of Pope Francis: “The Eucharist is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak."

It seems to me that he is referring to any sacrament - including the Eucharist - as well as a Catholic burial.

Or am I reading it mistakenly?
Nope. Everyone focused on the funeral rites, but Bishop Paprocki actually referenced several sacraments in his decree which were to be denied those in SSM.

assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3873097/Bishop-Paprocki-s-Same-Sex-Marriage-Decree.pdf

Funerary rights were just the one people were most shocked to see being denied as it was something of an oddity to see given modern practice which doesn’t seem to deny funerary rights.
 
The argument seems to be “benefit of the doubt” versus “we’re sliding down a slippery slope of heresy and sacrilege”.
This does seem to be the difference between the responses of the two bishops. However as an outside observer…

Bishop Paprocki’s response does seem to simply be a restatement of Catholic Canon Law being reiterated for his clergy. So while benefit of the doubt does seem to be the more compassionate response as Bishop McGrath has stated, the RCC doesn’t seem to take that track, preferring the pastoral response to be more concerned with public scandal.

The Catholic obsession with scandal is something I doubt I’ll ever understand, but it does seem to be an overriding concern as far as Catholic Canon Law is concerned in this instance.
 
This does seem to be the difference between the responses of the two bishops. However as an outside observer…

Bishop Paprocki’s response does seem to simply be a restatement of Catholic Canon Law being reiterated for his clergy. So while benefit of the doubt does seem to be the more compassionate response as Bishop McGrath has stated, the RCC doesn’t seem to take that track, preferring the pastoral response to be more concerned with public scandal.

The Catholic obsession with scandal is something I doubt I’ll ever understand, but it does seem to be an overriding concern as far as Catholic Canon Law is concerned in this instance.
In the case of Communion, it’s not just public scandal.

It’s sacrilege.

Regardless of who knows or doesn’t know who did or did not receive the Sacrament in worthy manner, if an unrepentant sinner knowingly refuses to repent of mortal sin, then it is sacrilege to receive.

It is harmful to the soul.

What is medicinal for one soul may lead to allergic reaction for another if received unworthily (metaphorically speaking, obv.)

This “oh well, let God sort out who was or wasn’t in a state of grace” attitude seems to be false compassion or just plain indifference, as if no one knew any better and nothing could have been done to prevent scandal and sacrilege.

Or even worse, to turn a blind eye when someone is definitely living in a manner inconsistent with Church teachings and is categorized as a mortal sin.

If Communion is welch’s grape juice, then sure, I understand why you think scandal isn’t such a big deal.
 
In the case of Communion, it’s not just public scandal.

It’s sacrilege.

Regardless of who knows or doesn’t know who did or did not receive the Sacrament in worthy manner, if an unrepentant sinner knowingly refuses to repent of mortal sin, then it is sacrilege to receive.

It is harmful to the soul.

What is medicinal for one soul may lead to allergic reaction for another if received unworthily (metaphorically speaking, obv.)

This “oh well, let God sort out who was or wasn’t in a state of grace” attitude seems to be false compassion or just plain indifference, as if no one knew any better and nothing could have been done to prevent scandal and sacrilege.

Or even worse, to turn a blind eye when someone is definitely living in a manner inconsistent with Church teachings and is categorized as a mortal sin.
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If Communion is welch’s grape juice, then sure, I understand why you think scandal isn’t such a big deal**.
Communion is more than Welch’s grape juice, I suspect you know that’s what many non-Catholics believe though just as you do. And yes the biblical view is that receiving unworthily is sacrilegious. As to whether it’s scandalous or not, again, IMO that shouldn’t be an overriding concern, yet Canon Law seems to think otherwise. But that only refers to communion, it doesn’t address the particular case that drew rebuke to Paprocki from even other Bishops, which is the funerary withholding, which is done almost exclusively due to the perception of “scandal”.
 
Communion is more than Welch’s grape juice, I suspect you know that’s what many non-Catholics believe though just as you do. And yes the biblical view is that receiving unworthily is sacrilegious. As to whether it’s scandalous or not, again, IMO that shouldn’t be an overriding concern, **yet Canon Law seems to think otherwise. **
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There was a claim made on CAF, a number of months ago, that two unmarried persons can’t walk in an empty house together because people can see them entering the house but can’t see them not having sex inside it. But personally I think canon law is a better guide to determining what is scandalous.
 
This does seem to be the difference between the responses of the two bishops. However as an outside observer…

Bishop Paprocki’s response does seem to simply be a restatement of Catholic Canon Law being reiterated for his clergy. So while benefit of the doubt does seem to be the more compassionate response as Bishop McGrath has stated, the RCC doesn’t seem to take that track, preferring the pastoral response to be more concerned with public scandal.

The Catholic obsession with scandal is something I doubt I’ll ever understand, but it does seem to be an overriding concern as far as Catholic Canon Law is concerned in this instance.
I think calling this an “obsession”, sort of under a negative connotation, is inaccurate. That’d be like saying the Church has an obsession with the salvation of souls. It’s a priority. That’s a good thing! As is preventing scandal. as this prevention also leads to the salvation of souls.

If scandal is “an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil”, then the Catholic Church should do everything in her power to make sure people aren’t led into error, or provide the opportunity for people to become their neighbor’s tempter. That’s why, in the rare cases that Bishop Paprocki speaks of, the Church cannot allow a Rite of Christian Burial to manifest, public sinners as such an act may lead people into error which “may even draw [a] brother into spiritual death.”
 
In 1977, during the darkest period of canonical confusion that ran from the end of the Second Vatican Council until the promulgation of the 1983 Code, then-Fr Patrick McGrath earned a doctoral degree in canon law from the Lateran University in Rome. Now-Bp Patrick McGrath of San Jose is surely aware, then, that multiple canonical requirements for sacramental participation exist and he would, I imagine, be distressed to learn that his recent letter, implying that “good faith” is the only criterion for admission to the sacraments, could be pastorally misleading.
Edward Peters, writing in the Catholic World Report
 
“the darkest period of canonical confusion that ran from the end of the Second Vatican Council until the promulgation of the 1983 Code”

Yeah, there’s unbiased reporting for you.

What happened to the days when people would just talk vaguely about the good old days?

:RollEyesSarcastically:
 
“the darkest period of canonical confusion that ran from the end of the Second Vatican Council until the promulgation of the 1983 Code”

Yeah, there’s unbiased reporting for you.

What happened to the days when people would just talk vaguely about the good old days?

:RollEyesSarcastically:
I’ve read some of Edward Peters writings on canon law, but have not seen him make reference to the ‘good old days.’ Indeed, the reference he makes to a period of canonical confusion seems to indicate that the confusion of an earlier period was cleared up in a later period by the 1983 Code. In any case, his main point was that since Bishop McGrath had obtained a doctoral degree in Canon Law from Lateran University, he would presumably be aware of the several canonical requirements for receiving the sacraments, which consist of more than simply “good faith.”
 
“the darkest period of canonical confusion that ran from the end of the Second Vatican Council until the promulgation of the 1983 Code”

Yeah, there’s unbiased reporting for you.

What happened to the days when people would just talk vaguely about the good old days?

:RollEyesSarcastically:
Nothing wrong with what he wrote.

There was much confusion in that time-period. Vatican II called for changes and it took time for those changes to take effect. The 1983 Code finally codified those changes so that canonists (and anyone else for that matter) no longer had to sort through all kinds of individual documents to know what the law said—since so many changes had been made to the 1917 Code, but it was not re-printed every time.

The point of the comment was to say that the bishop earned a doctorate in canon law in Rome during a time-period when it was most difficult. To put that another way: the bishop must indeed be very smart, or else he would never have survived the academic rigors and challenges.
 
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