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jmjZelie
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Yes, I have read the interview and found it very edifying, as usual.
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TrayTray
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Right, instead Paul criticized Peter, the Pope, ‘to his face’ and then wrote a letter about the whole thing to the Galations. Then to boot, the Holy Ghost gives His stamp of approval and the whole incident is canonized in scripture as the inspired, inerrant, word of God. This is the proper way Catholics behave towards wayward clerics, even the Pope, as the word of God suggests and as previous Saints have also done. Today we live in a climate of ‘papolotry’ as the good Bishop Schneider also makes reference to. There is nothing ‘unfaithful’ here. We’re not to be faithful to error, indecency, or scandal. We’re to be faithful to Christ and His Church not the person of the Pope.
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Brendan_64
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Bishop Schneider is most certainly a loyal and faithful bishop. Loyalty to the Church is through loyalty to the Deposit of Faith, and on that Bishop Schneider is rock solid.
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corsair
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The problem today is that so many people misunderstand the dogma of Infallibility.
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Jon_Mallory
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Regarding the role of the papacy, Bishop schneider says:
"The Pope is surely not the measure of tradition, but on the contrary. We must always bear in mind the following dogmatic teaching of the First Vatican Council: The office of the successors of Peter does not consist in making known some new doctrine, but in guarding and faithfully expounding the deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles (cf. Constitutio dogmatica Pastor aeternus, cap. 4).
In fulfilling one of his most important tasks, the Pope has to strive so that “the whole flock of Christ might be kept away from the poisonous food of error” (First Vatican Council, ibd.). The following expression which was in use since the first centuries of the Church, is one of the most striking definitions of the Papal office, and has to be in some sense a second nature of every Pope: “Faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith” (First Vatican Council, ibd.)."
A lot of people here seem to think the Pope is able to promulgate new doctrine, which is what Bishop Schneider disagrees with. Could we focus on the content of what is being said instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to the reputation of the website?
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SyroMalankara
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He is being loyal in some sense, to his conscience, he’s not a careerist and he’s making a mess smelling like his sheep. … aren’t those characteristics from the talks the Pope gave? He can’t be faulted for doing as told. Unless it’s better to agree, further his career, not make a mess, and not smell like his sheep. The public statement via newspaper is even out of the same playbook as the Pope.
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Cider
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Well said!
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Pulvis
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I read it. Needs to be published in every diocesan newspaper across the world. A true shepherd.
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commenter
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This is the same message we’ve heard since the late 1960s from the National Catholic Reporter, Call to Action, Network, LCWR, Fr. Hans Kung, Fr. Charles Curran, Catholics for Choice, and a whole host of similar people.
Do we really want to say “Amen” or “Right on!” to that choir?
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e_c
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Seriously…?
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commenter
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It’s easy to get caught up in the issues of the moment. Take time to review what people like St. Pope Pius X wrote about the papacy, and the Magisterium; esp Catholic Action. Review what Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII wrote.Seriously…?
Every liberal who undermined the papacy, going back to 1900, began by saying they defend the Deposit of Faith, not some monarch who happens to be on the throne at the moment. We live in a second century of anti-papalism, where every man is his own pope, his own bishop, his own pastor.
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Pulvis
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In my opinion, you are applying a false analogy to Archbishop Schneider. To equate his concern for the flock to the antics of the modernists who have been infiltrating the Church for well over a century is disingenuous. And to accuse him, in so many words, to be anti Papal authority is not supported by His answers in the interview.
Me thinks thou dost twist His words to fit thy own viewpoint. But I could be wrong. Pax.
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TMC
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I think it is a fair comparison. My earlier somewhat harsh comments about the good bishop are not because I think he does not have a right and a duty to express his thoughts on the faith. He does, as do all Catholics, including those who may strongly disagree with Bishop Schneider. My concern was for the tone of the comments and the ad hominem attacks on Church leadership. Claiming that those that disagree with you are in league with the enemy, are indecent, and so forth, is not a productive way to advance understanding.
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I would not equate him with the modernists. I totally disagree with the modernists, and mostly agree with him. His viewpoint, as far as I have read about him, is somewhat different from Rorate Coeli, which is anti-papal authority.
But orthodox Catholics (referring to you and me) are not immune to the anti-papal climate especially since 1968. We have been affected by it, like everyone else, as well as by the anti-bishop climate.
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e_c
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Once again… seriously?
Francis is not the papacy. Newsflash, a lot of really good people have been unnerved by certain things this pontiff has said and done, the mishandling of the two synods being first among them. Schneider is one of these. One is free to reject the “sense” of a papacy and even many things the pope says and does without being “anti-papal authority.” For crying out loud.
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TMC
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Is this a good criteria for distinguishing him? That you agree with him means his statements and actions are OK, and that you disagree with them means that the statements of others are wrongful? Is it not the case that all should be seeking in good faith to perfect the faith and their understanding?
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Pulvis
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Only if you are a protestant. But Papalotry is just as dangerous as discounting the Pope. And in recent decades there has been, and still is, a movement to elevate the Holy Father to a much loftier position than is prudent. Much of this can be attributed to the mass media effect. Some to Pope John Paul II and his globe trotting. Whatever the causes, many Catholics would do well to learn more about what the Pope is, and what the Pope is not. Along with what He can and cannot do.Well, considering we are each our own Pope…
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Don_Ruggero
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Bishop Schneider is not an archbishop. He is the auxiliary bishop, serving under Archbishop Tomash Peta, in the Archdiocese of Maria Santissima in Astana in Kazakhstan.
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TMC
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Well, we are each to follow our own conscience, which I assume is what Bishop Schneider is doing.Well, considering we are each our own Pope…
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