Bishop Slattery(Tulsa) "Gregorian Chant definitely reintroduced in the Diocese"

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Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa is publishing in his diocesan paper the Eastern Oklahoma Catholic a series of articles calling people to a more faithful application of the Church’s norms on liturgy. After the last Synod of Bishops His Excellency has asked clergy, liturgists and musicians to review Sacrosanctum Concilium.

Here is a sample (my emphasis added):

http://www.dioceseoftulsa.org/bishop/images/coa_large.jpg“I ask them to pay special attention to the sections devoted to Sacred Music (Chapter 6, 112 – 121) that those who share responsibility in a parish for the implementation of the Council’s liturgical norms might reacquaint themselves with what the Council Fathers actually wrote concerning the requirements of proper liturgical music, and in particular the principle which places the text in importance over the melody, thus acknowledging the primacy of Gregorian Chant among the Church’s musical traditions, not merely from the position of its great venerability and beauty, but also because chant, having no rhythm, never forces the text to be rewritten to fit a specific meter. Chant allows us a certain sacred space within which that Word which God spoke in ancient times can be heard today with greater clarity and fidelity. I understand that this review of music must lead to changes and that changes will often be irksome and problematic. For this reason I would caution that this gradual, but definite, reintroduction of Gregorian chant into our parishes and communities be done with careful study, deliberate consultation and much prayer. However, as a sign of the seriousness with which I approach this topic, I am asking that pastors move with **some dispatch **to introduce their congregations to the simpler chants of the Kyriale, including the Gloria, Sanctus, Pater Noster and the Agnus Dei.” (*Eastern Oklahoma Catholic *March 6, 2006).

Bishop Slattery gives his flock a whole lot more beside. For example: “I am also asking our people to recover their sense of the sacredness of the sanctuary by refraining from idle conversation in Church before and after Mass.” Or, how about this: “If… our attention is repeatedly pulled away from the altar to the presence of the cantor or the choir, then our participation at Mass can become a kind of tennis match, and our response in prayer remains shallow and disjointed. … (W)e should be honest enough to acknowledge that the placement of the choir, cantor and the musicians (in the front of the church) has proven to be a ***terrible distraction ***in many parishes.”
 
This is the same diocese which has the Clear Creek Monastery.

clearcreekmonks.org

I hope Gregorian Chant flourishes in this diocese and spearheads a major movement throughout the country.

Praying for this Bishop and the Diocese!
 
I now wnat to move to KS! We are definitely in Ks here!

I am about to let the music minister with the PHd that he isn’t following the norms of only music to support the singing in Lent.

And since this is the liturgy forum, I want to quote HE Francis Cardinal Arinze: “We do not praise God with banality.” I love that guy!
 
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DVina:
I now wnat to move to KS! We are definitely in Ks here!
Tulsa is in Oklahoma.
 
Haha, thats hilarious someone thought Tulsa was in Kansas. I go to school in the archdiocese of OKC but I grew up in Tulsa and Tulsa is still my home. I’m really glad Bishop Slattery is promoting the use of latin. Lets see how many parishes actually comply. Luckily I have the most wonderful parish near my home north of Tulsa. Cantor and Choir located in the back, large raised sanctuary and beautiful tabernacle. Latin is used often in the liturgy, although not always. Father “Pat” as we like to call him has the most amazing voice and even teaches the parish how to pronounce the latin correctly and what not before mass sometimes. Also they usually pray the rosary before mass. I miss that parish so much. Not too long ago that parish was in a different building and the one before that was burnt to the ground by members of the KKK.
 
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Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa is publishing in his diocesan paper the Eastern Oklahoma Catholic a series of articles calling people to a more faithful application of the Church’s norms on liturgy. After the last Synod of Bishops His Excellency has asked clergy, liturgists and musicians to review Sacrosanctum Concilium.

Here is a sample (my emphasis added):

“I ask them to pay special attention to the sections devoted to Sacred Music (Chapter 6, 112 – 121) that those who share responsibility in a parish for the implementation of the Council’s liturgical norms might reacquaint themselves with what the Council Fathers actually wrote concerning the requirements of proper liturgical music, and in particular the principle which places the text in importance over the melody, thus acknowledging the primacy of Gregorian Chant among the Church’s musical traditions, not merely from the position of its great venerability and beauty, but also because chant, having no rhythm, never forces the text to be rewritten to fit a specific meter. Chant allows us a certain sacred space within which that Word which God spoke in ancient times can be heard today with greater clarity and fidelity. I understand that this review of music must lead to changes and that changes will often be irksome and problematic. For this reason I would caution that this gradual, but definite, reintroduction of Gregorian chant into our parishes and communities be done with careful study, deliberate consultation and much prayer. However, as a sign of the seriousness with which I approach this topic, I am asking that pastors move with some dispatch to introduce their congregations to the simpler chants of the Kyriale, including the Gloria, Sanctus, Pater Noster and the Agnus Dei.” (*Eastern Oklahoma Catholic *March 6, 2006).

Bishop Slattery gives his flock a whole lot more beside. For example: “I am also asking our people to recover their sense of the sacredness of the sanctuary by refraining from idle conversation in Church before and after Mass.” Or, how about this: “If… our attention is repeatedly pulled away from the altar to the presence of the cantor or the choir, then our participation at Mass can become a kind of tennis match, and our response in prayer remains shallow and disjointed. … (W)e should be honest enough to acknowledge that the placement of the choir, cantor and the musicians (in the front of the church) has proven to be a ***terrible distraction ***in many parishes.”

Wow are you lucky! I’m from the Northwest and everything up here is so darn liberal, both within and without the church. I’m so tired of secular music in our mass from our parish “soft rock band.” They have electric bass guitar and drums. They put a beat on every song out of the missal which was never intended to have percussion. The “Alleluia” they are currently using sounds like a jazz nightclub number for crying out loud.

What they effectively do is take a reverent song and secularize it, making it sound common like something you would hear on a TV commercial or in the elevator or on a soft rock radio station. I think they do it because they like to boogey and think mass is the right place to do it. Every once in a while they don’t use the drums and they sound 100 times better. You can actually understand the words and hear the parish singing. I think the more reverent the music, the more people love and respect the mass in the way they dress, behave, and sing. I wish my bishop would crack down on the secularization of sacred music. As far as I know, pretty much anything goes up here.

You might think I’m some old grumpy pre-Vatican II type. Actually I’m 35 and desperately want to attend a mass where the music is consistenly reverent and uplifting, not secular and common. I don’t go to mass to listen to a concert or be entertained by the music group who likes to turn the mass into boogey time. I want to attend a mass where I can take my kids and they can see that this place is different from ordinary life. I want the music to enhance the liturgy, not compete with it. I would much rather listen to an organ and a single cantor then listen to a large music group secularize every song out of the missal. Where that place is I don’t know, but I wish it was in my own parish.
 
Or, how about this: “If… our attention is repeatedly pulled away from the altar to the presence of the cantor or the choir, then our participation at Mass can become a kind of tennis match, and our response in prayer remains shallow and disjointed. … (W)e should be honest enough to acknowledge that the placement of the choir, cantor and the musicians (in the front of the church) has proven to be a terrible distraction in many parishes.”
Gloria in excelsis Deo!

I hope this catches on in other dioceses as well. I too am sick of the lame cacaphony that passes as “music” at many Masses.
 
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Chris-WA:
Wow are you lucky! I’m from the Northwest and everything up here is so darn liberal, both within and without the church. I’m so tired of secular music in our mass from our parish “soft rock band.” They have electric bass guitar and drums. They put a beat on every song out of the missal which was never intended to have percussion. The “Alleluia” they are currently using sounds like a jazz nightclub number for crying out loud.

What they effectively do is take a reverent song and secularize it, making it sound common like something you would hear on a TV commercial or in the elevator or on a soft rock radio station. I think they do it because they like to boogey and think mass is the right place to do it. Every once in a while they don’t use the drums and they sound 100 times better. You can actually understand the words and hear the parish singing. I think the more reverent the music, the more people love and respect the mass in the way they dress, behave, and sing. I wish my bishop would crack down on the secularization of sacred music. As far as I know, pretty much anything goes up here.

You might think I’m some old grumpy pre-Vatican II type. Actually I’m 35 and desperately want to attend a mass where the music is consistenly reverent and uplifting, not secular and common. I don’t go to mass to listen to a concert or be entertained by the music group who likes to turn the mass into boogey time. I want to attend a mass where I can take my kids and they can see that this place is different from ordinary life. I want the music to enhance the liturgy, not compete with it. I would much rather listen to an organ and a single cantor then listen to a large music group secularize every song out of the missal. Where that place is I don’t know, but I wish it was in my own parish.
Actually, I’m not lucky, I live in the Diocese of Phoenix, pretty much a liturgical wasteland (thank God for Bishop Olmsted bringing the TLM). You are an old grumpy to me, I’m only 24;) , but I completely agree with you.
 
That’s awesome! 😃 I hope that Gregorian chant will become more common.

At my church’s Saturday anticipatory Mass, we always have Gregorian chant, and it truly does create a special atmosphere! They chant before Mass, which creates a nice, subdued mood. People don’t come in and chatter. And they chant the Kyrie, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei, and all throughout Communion.

I have a question though, is the congregation supposed to join in the chant? :confused: I like to try, just because I love Latin, and love the sound of it. Nearly no one else does, though. I hope I’m not making a faux pas! :o But I suspect that people just can’t or don’t want to join in. I guess that is why much of the Mass is still done in English, and regular hymns are still sung. Fortunately, even our usual music is very well done–we have excellent choirs, cantors, and organist/director. All in the back of the church, too.

I’m so awesomely happy with our church music! I’d join a choir myself, but I’m already in one choir that is a lot of work. It’s not a church choir, but we do sing lots of sacred music, including lots in Latin. 🙂
 
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proud2bcatholic:
Actually, I’m not lucky, I live in the Diocese of Phoenix, pretty much a liturgical wasteland (thank God for Bishop Olmsted bringing the TLM). You are an old grumpy to me, I’m only 24;) , but I completely agree with you.
I attended a Mass at St. Anne’s in Gilbert, AZ (your diocese) on vacation a few years ago where the music at mass was the most outrageous I had ever witnessed in my entire life. I was embarrassed to be there and was extremely disappointed that the priest allowed such irreverence. Basically they had a full up rock band playing as loud as could be. None of the music was from the standard music issue every parish has in its pews. My LDS wife came with me and I was humiliated by this exposition of disrespect for the sacredness of the mass by the “band.”

It’s so sad too because this area is heavily LDS and is therefore an ideal location to demonstrate the beauty of Catholicism to Mormons. If an LDS investigating the Catholic church attended mass there, they would be shocked by the loud, irreverent music and would probably never step foot inside a Catholic church again. I can only hope that St. Anne’s has since then figured out for themselves just how inappropriate that kind of music is for the mass.

My Mormon sister-in-law lives there and told me how the local LDS ward there and St. Anne’s have a joint Christmas music youth program every year. She said that one year when it was held at St. Anne’s the LDS group sang traditional Christmas songs but the Catholic group basically rocked out around the altar. She was embarrassed and felt it was very inappropriate. After having attended mass there I don’t doubt it. Yet another opportunity lost.
 
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Chris-WA:
I attended a Mass at St. Anne’s in Gilbert, AZ (your diocese) on vacation a few years ago where the music at mass was the most outrageous I had ever witnessed in my entire life. I was embarrassed to be there and was extremely disappointed that the priest allowed such irreverence. Basically they had a full up rock band playing as loud as could be. None of the music was from the standard music issue every parish has in its pews. My LDS wife came with me and I was humiliated by this exposition of disrespect for the sacredness of the mass by the “band.”

It’s so sad too because this area is heavily LDS and is therefore an ideal location to demonstrate the beauty of Catholicism to Mormons. If an LDS investigating the Catholic church attended mass there, they would be shocked by the loud, irreverent music and would probably never step foot inside a Catholic church again. I can only hope that St. Anne’s has since then figured out for themselves just how inappropriate that kind of music is for the mass.

My Mormon sister-in-law lives there and told me how the local LDS ward there and St. Anne’s have a joint Christmas music youth program every year. She said that one year when it was held at St. Anne’s the LDS group sang traditional Christmas songs but the Catholic group basically rocked out around the altar. She was embarrassed and felt it was very inappropriate. After having attended mass there I don’t doubt it. Yet another opportunity lost.
I know, I know St. Anne’s is my former parish, and the scary thing is that I changed to St. Anne’s because it was more traditional than the parish I went to previously.

But now, I go to Byzantine Divine Liturgy and Tridentine Mass, thank God for these liturgies!
 
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Chris-WA:
Wow are you lucky! I’m from the Northwest and everything up here is so darn liberal, both within and without the church. I’m so tired of secular music in our mass from our parish “soft rock band.” They have electric bass guitar and drums. They put a beat on every song out of the missal which was never intended to have percussion. The “Alleluia” they are currently using sounds like a jazz nightclub number for crying out loud.

What they effectively do is take a reverent song and secularize it, making it sound common like something you would hear on a TV commercial or in the elevator or on a soft rock radio station. I think they do it because they like to boogey and think mass is the right place to do it. Every once in a while they don’t use the drums and they sound 100 times better. You can actually understand the words and hear the parish singing. I think the more reverent the music, the more people love and respect the mass in the way they dress, behave, and sing. I wish my bishop would crack down on the secularization of sacred music. As far as I know, pretty much anything goes up here.

You might think I’m some old grumpy pre-Vatican II type. Actually I’m 35 and desperately want to attend a mass where the music is consistenly reverent and uplifting, not secular and common. I don’t go to mass to listen to a concert or be entertained by the music group who likes to turn the mass into boogey time. I want to attend a mass where I can take my kids and they can see that this place is different from ordinary life. I want the music to enhance the liturgy, not compete with it. I would much rather listen to an organ and a single cantor then listen to a large music group secularize every song out of the missal. Where that place is I don’t know, but I wish it was in my own parish.
I know a great Dominican parish in Seattle, and I hear there’s some amazing stuff down in Portland, Oregon too.
 
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Chris-WA:
Wow are you lucky! I’m from the Northwest and everything up here is so darn liberal, both within and without the church. I’m so tired of secular music in our mass from our parish “soft rock band.” They have electric bass guitar and drums. They put a beat on every song out of the missal which was never intended to have percussion. The “Alleluia” they are currently using sounds like a jazz nightclub number for crying out loud.

What they effectively do is take a reverent song and secularize it, making it sound common like something you would hear on a TV commercial or in the elevator or on a soft rock radio station. I think they do it because they like to boogey and think mass is the right place to do it. Every once in a while they don’t use the drums and they sound 100 times better. You can actually understand the words and hear the parish singing. I think the more reverent the music, the more people love and respect the mass in the way they dress, behave, and sing. I wish my bishop would crack down on the secularization of sacred music. As far as I know, pretty much anything goes up here.

You might think I’m some old grumpy pre-Vatican II type. Actually I’m 35 and desperately want to attend a mass where the music is consistenly reverent and uplifting, not secular and common. I don’t go to mass to listen to a concert or be entertained by the music group who likes to turn the mass into boogey time. I want to attend a mass where I can take my kids and they can see that this place is different from ordinary life. I want the music to enhance the liturgy, not compete with it. I would much rather listen to an organ and a single cantor then listen to a large music group secularize every song out of the missal. Where that place is I don’t know, but I wish it was in my own parish.
I know how you feel. Just because I’m 33 and I love rock music doesn’t mean that I want to hear it at mass. That’s what I have a stereo at home and in my car for. The rock and roll rendition of Alleluia at our church drives me nuts!
 
This seems to be a big problem across the country. I know I’ve seen it every parish I have ever lived in. Our standards have sunk too low, and we have allowed the hipsters to take over the music programs in many of our parishes. There is another thread on this website discussing an ongoing effort by the magisterium to correct this problem:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=104210

Hopefully it will come to pass. But I know there are a lot of American Catholic hippies out there running our parish music programs that would fight it tooth and nail. Those children of the crazy 60’s and 70’s are generally the ones in charge, and they just love to get down at mass. I love them for their energy and spirit, though misused it may be when it comes to reverence for the mass. They usually have beautiful voices and often good talent, but it all gets drowned out by the drum set or electric bass guitar. If only they knew how beautiful they sound without such nonsense.
 
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TamaraS:
I know how you feel. Just because I’m 33 and I love rock music doesn’t mean that I want to hear it at mass. That’s what I have a stereo at home and in my car for. The rock and roll rendition of Alleluia at our church drives me nuts!
Exactly!!!

I have practically filled by 60 Gig iPod with secular music (rock, jazz, soul, you name it) and I listen to it almost all the time. But when I go to mass I want to leave behind our secular culture (not to mention that contemporary church music stinks). That is why I go to a parish that has Gregorian chant every Sunday.
 
Back in college (this was 30 years ago now) I formed a schola (I was a music major and already knowledgable about the chant) to supply part of the music for the main Mass of the Catholic chaplaincy. They gladly accepted but insisted that I just work it around the guitar strumming and execrable hymnology they were already working with. This made for an eclecticism that was difficult for me to live with. (I also happened to the organist for the chaplaincy and it was a very fine organ in a magnificent college chapel. They actually expected me to do dual accompaniments with the lead guitarist for things like the Sanctus.)

I hope the situation in Oklahoma develops into something. I know I look forward to visiting and perhaps even supporting a completed Clear Creek Monastery when I retire (I currently work abroad). I am far more a purist at 51 than I was when I was younger and more naive. It now seems to me that almost all music used in the Catholic Church in my lifetime in the US, including before Vatican II and its consequences, has been meretricious (that is a kind way to put it) or Protestant-inspired or both. It seems to me that a return to the deep roots of the Gregorian, with the use of Renaissance polyphony and more recent music *deeply rooted in that tradition * (which is rare), the latter available only to churches with the resources to field fine choirs, is our only real hope for an artistically non-compromised liturgy.

They are much closer to it, by the way, here in Germany than in the US.
 
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arieh0310:
Exactly!!!

I have practically filled by 60 Gig iPod with secular music (rock, jazz, soul, you name it) and I listen to it almost all the time. But when I go to mass I want to leave behind our secular culture (not to mention that contemporary church music stinks). That is why I go to a parish that has Gregorian chant every Sunday.
I agree. One of our priests at our parish is very traditional when he celebrates mass and the music just does not fit with it. It is very hard to recieve the Eucharist and try to go back and have a quiet prayerful moment with Jesus with that kind of music.
 
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