Bishop Thomas Gumbleton and the homosexual agenda

  • Thread starter Thread starter GloriaPatri4
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
G

GloriaPatri4

Guest
FROM
Article from New Oxford Review

Bishop Vicky & Bishop Gumby
April 2005

We in the Catholic Church have our own actively homosexual priests and bishops, though they try to keep it in the closet, sometimes failing. As far as we know, Bishop Gumby is not one of them. Oh, sorry, that would be Thomas Gumbleton, the Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit. Nonetheless, he has been pushing the homosexual agenda in the Church for quite a while. In March 1997 in Pittsburgh, at a three-day anniversary celebration for New Ways Ministry (founded by Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent), Bishop Gumby said: "I hope that within our Church every gay person, every lesbian person, every bisexual person and every transgendered person will come out. Because that is how our Church is going to change…."
Click to expand...
In America magazine (Sept. 30, 2002), Gumby affirmed that “homosexuality is one of God’s most significant gifts to humanity.” Now, how could a gift from God be disordered or immoral? Does this mean Gumby thinks homosexual sex can be moral? Yes, it does. Gumby spoke at a gathering of homosexuals at St. Joseph’s Church in Greenwich Village, saying that “We need a new paradigm for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people in the Church.” An astute reporter for Lesbian and Gay New York asked Gumby what exactly he meant. The reporter said, “The Church’s official teaching is that sexual activity between two people of the same sex is always wrong. Do you mean to say that it can be moral?” Gumby answered, “Yes, I do.” This appeared in a very friendly source, Dignity/USA Journal, Winter 1999.

The Toledo Blade (Jan. 21) spoke with Gumby. The story says: “‘If you are saving souls one at a time, you really aren’t going to get very far,’ he [Gumby] said. But as he sees it, the church’s role should be to try and ‘transfer this world into as close an image of the reign of God, what the reign of God might look like, as possible.’ That would be a world, he said, where everyone has enough to live decently, and also where their human and political rights aren’t trampled upon.” Fine, but then you die. Heaven and Hell are dim in Gumby’s mind. What’s important to him is this life.

That female inmate who wrote to Bishop Vicky will also find the unconditional love she wants, no strings attached, under the wings of Bishop Gumby. It’s luv, luv, luv that makes the world go round, and who cares what comes after.

New Oxford Notes: April 2005

newoxfordreview.org/note.jsp?did=0405-notes-vicky

Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained

By Thomas J. Gumbleton

americamagazine.org/gettext.cfm?textID=2508&articleTypeID=1&UUID=3304&getlastissue=1&lastissueVolume=187&lastissueNumber=10
 
40.png
GloriaPatri4:
Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained
Click to expand...
I think sexual orientation is not the issue. Currently, Latin Rite priests are celibate (at least that is the vow they make). If one can obey the rules, I would think they are in.

Now if the day were to come that married men are routinely ordained as priests, I would think the Church would have to uphold teaching and require single men (gay or straight) to remain chaste.

Nohome
 
I am glad Gumbleston is retired (Although I heard one person say this gives him more time to do this type of stuff).

Homosexuality is an issue and there should be a ban on gays in the Priesthood. For the ones who are already there. Toss them.

PF
 
40.png
WanderAimlessly:
Homosexuality is an issue and there should be a ban on gays in the Priesthood. For the ones who are already there. Toss them.

PF
Click to expand...
And how will you detect them? Is there a blood test or something? How about a don’t ask don’t tell policy.

Nohome
 
40.png
Nohome:
And how will you detect them? Is there a blood test or something? How about a don’t ask don’t tell policy.

Nohome
Click to expand...
If nobody, including parishioners, fellow priests, and their spiritual directors, can detect them, than what’s the problem? They are not creating scandal.

If they can be detected, fix them so they can’t be detected, even if this includes canning them. Hiding them is OK, and even preferable, if they have not committed any illegal acts. Ship them out somewhere that they cannot cause scandal.

Alan
 
40.png
AlanFromWichita:
If nobody, including parishioners, fellow priests, and their spiritual directors, can detect them, than what’s the problem? They are not creating scandal.

If they can be detected, fix them so they can’t be detected, even if this includes canning them. Hiding them is OK, and even preferable, if they have not committed any illegal acts. Ship them out somewhere that they cannot cause scandal.

Alan
Click to expand...
Dear Alan,

Please clarify, do you mean that if their sexual activity can be detected or do you mean their sexual orientation detected?

Even if their sexual activity can’t be detected these priests are still are at risk of contracting STD’s or AIDS or giving it to some unsuspecting soul. The diocese or order these priests belong to are liable for these priests sexual activities are they not?
 
40.png
WanderAimlessly:
I am glad Gumbleston is retired (Although I heard one person say this gives him more time to do this type of stuff).
Click to expand...
Do you know something we don’t? So far, his letter of resignation has not been accepted. Sadly, I check the Vatican Information Service every day for the big announcement when it comes.

I think the two most recent Holy Fathers have been faced with the very dilemma that you hint at; If he is retired, then he is free to go where he wants when he wants. At least as an auxiliary Bishop, he still has some responsibilities and supervision.
 
40.png
AlanFromWichita:
If nobody, including parishioners, fellow priests, and their spiritual directors, can detect them, than what’s the problem? They are not creating scandal.

If they can be detected, fix them so they can’t be detected, even if this includes canning them. Hiding them is OK, and even preferable, if they have not committed any illegal acts. Ship them out somewhere that they cannot cause scandal.

Alan
Click to expand...
If nobody can detect, not creating scandal, have not commited any illegal acts …“acts” meaning giving expression to their SSA. Why in the world would the Church want in the priesthood a man who does not live chastely his sacred vows? Where do you hide or ship them to if they are not commited to living chastely? Use of a tether system? Please, these men are unfit to wear the collar, along with those who promote the active homosexual (gay) lifestyle.
 
40.png
msproule:
Do you know something we don’t? So far, his letter of resignation has not been accepted. Sadly, I check the Vatican Information Service every day for the big announcement when it comes.

I think the two most recent Holy Fathers have been faced with the very dilemma that you hint at; If he is retired, then he is free to go where he wants when he wants. At least as an auxiliary Bishop, he still has some responsibilities and supervision.
Click to expand...
Your right. I of said that. And the person who told me that said the same thing you did.

PF
 
I have had non-Catholics remark to me about the ‘scandal’. My response is that although it saddens me, I am glad that it has been brought out in the open because it allows those of the hierarchy who are ‘faithful and true’ to deal with the situation and clean house.

I believe the time of harvest is here and the ‘Tares’ are in the process of being separated from the ‘Wheat’. What we need to be doing is PRAY for our weaker brethren who have fallen into the ‘snares of the Enemy’, especially those who have consecrated their lives to God Almighty in the priesthood and religious life.
 
The original poll question deals with active homosexual priests and bishops. These men should be discharged from priestly duties. However, I don’t think that they should be “exposed” in the sense that is ment here. Rather I think such things are an internal matter for the Church to deal with apart from making a specticle of things.
 
Any priest, gay or straight, who is caught breaking his vow of celibacy should be dealt with by the Church (those much smarter than me can decide what to do with him). As long as they stay celibate, what’s the problem? Does being gay mean that a person can’t be celibate?
 
40.png
WanderAimlessly:
I am glad Gumbleston is retired (Although I heard one person say this gives him more time to do this type of stuff).

Homosexuality is an issue and there should be a ban on gays in the Priesthood. For the ones who are already there. Toss them.

PF
Click to expand...
Did he retire? I don’t read too much of the secular news, so I wasn’t sure if the Holy See accepted his resignation. http://bestsmileys.com/cheering/1.gif
 
This is a difficult poll because of the wording. I read “actively homosexual” as meaning non-celibate, living an open homosexual lifestyle. In that sense I voted “No”.

But in the case of ordained priests with SSA who are fulfilling their vows, I am uncertain how I would vote. It isn’t as clear cut to me. I do not feel that chaste priests with SSA should be outed and drummed out of the priesthood.

As to whether men with SSA should be ordained in the first place, I tend to think that they should not be, but I can see both sides of the issue.
 
I voted for “other.” Being “outed” is not necessarily the best solution, but on the other hand serious and perhaps drastic action is called for when the priest is being sexually active–in any direction.
  • Liberian
 
40.png
WanderAimlessly:
I am glad Gumbleston is retired (Although I heard one person say this gives him more time to do this type of stuff).

Homosexuality is an issue and there should be a ban on gays in the Priesthood. For the ones who are already there. Toss them.

PF
Click to expand...
Do you think we should “toss” all the straight priests who have affairs with women (some of whom are married) too?
 
Regardless of the question, I have to say that the way this poll is structured (the options to choose in the poll and the wording of the options) is very biase and not based on seeking a true opinion of those who participate. The poll promotes an agenda.

While my thinking is in line with Rome on this subject, this poll promotes a negative attitude toward all homosexuals. Remember, love the sinner, hate the sin.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top