Bishop Trautman criticizes new translation!

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This isn’t the first time Bishop Donald Trautman has weighed in on this topic. A year ago he stated that Americans come to Mass with “the influence of television, videos, movies, newspapers, and best sellers” in their heads, and therefore, the Mass readings should reflect these cultural influences.

This is nothing more than another case of the secular culture shaping the Church, instead of the other way around. The good bishop neglected to acknowledge that those same media are also full of filthy language, immoral behavior, gratuitous violence, banal content, and leftist politics.
 
The good bishop neglected to acknowledge that those same media are also full of filthy language, immoral behavior, gratuitous violence, banal content, and leftist politics.
Let’s see, in the bible:
Filthy Language… nothing explicit
Immoral Behavior… lots
Gratuitous violence… some scattered here and there throughout the old testament
banal content… a little.
Leftist politics… read acts carefully. The leftists think they’re living up to it.
Sex… Plenty in the old testament. Most of it glossed over. But the Song of Solomon… WOOT!
 
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Katy:
I couldn’t believe at first that the picture was of a BISHOP wearing a clown nose with his vestments.
Believe that it is a fabrication, Katy. Another poster had a photo last night that was definitely altered and removed by the administrators. It is sooooo easy to do with edit and paste functions. People with agendas hoping to smear clergy are quite happy to oblige and create scandal.
 
Believe that it is a fabrication, Katy. Another poster had a photo last night that was definitely altered and removed by the administrators. It is sooooo easy to do with edit and paste functions. People with agendas hoping to smear clergy are quite happy to oblige and create scandal.
I hope that is the case, altho that would be equally shockingly disrespectful. At least it would have been done to and not by the bishop. It does say something about the situation in general that we aren’t entirely prepared to assume automatically that the photo surely must be a fabrication.
 
Believe that it is a fabrication, Katy. Another poster had a photo last night that was definitely altered and removed by the administrators. It is sooooo easy to do with edit and paste functions. People with agendas hoping to smear clergy are quite happy to oblige and create scandal.
That photo was not altered that I had posted…I’m not exactly clear on why it was removed…perhaps posting pictures is against forum rules…but it was not altered.
 
While I strongly disagree with Bishop Trautman’s public statements about the revised liturgical translations, I would like to remind everyone that he is a bishop. As such, we should keep our remarks charitable. Criticize his position and statements, but let us please do so with charity.

Please remember his position, and therefore the man, deserves respect.

For my part, I respectfully disagree with nearly all his public statements on this matter and I feel that some of his public behavior, such as what he was doing in that photo, are inappropriate for any person who has received Holy Orders, bishop, priest or deacon.
 
Frommi,

I’m not sure which photo you are speaking about, but I did see one that showed Pope Benedict during a consecration, and the elements he elevated were definitely dubbed. Not saying it was you personally who dubbed them, for you may have just posted the work of another “alterer.” However, there is no way the Pontiff would have used these elements in so sacred a moment.

It simply proved to me that photos being submitted for viewing are not always authentic and may even be used to slander a cleric. No wonder the Forum asks for verifiable sources, and guards the reputations of those who are being falsely depicted without proof.

If it was you who submitted the photo, I would have to wonder what possible good objective you had in offering it for general forum viewing. As I also wonder why the OP posted a deplorable picture with clown noses. It is so easy to paste these red objects on a nose to make the bishop look foolish. I could just as easily make a snake come out of another’s ear, and other such nonsense.
 
Joysong,

The photo was not altered. This came from a children’s liturgy he delivered late last year.
 
Frommi,

I’m not sure which photo you are speaking about, but I did see one that showed Pope Benedict during a consecration, and the elements he elevated were definitely dubbed. Not saying it was you personally who dubbed them, for you may have just posted the work of another “alterer.” However, there is no way the Pontiff would have used these elements in so sacred a moment.

It simply proved to me that photos being submitted for viewing are not always authentic and may even be used to slander a cleric. No wonder the Forum asks for verifiable sources, and guards the reputations of those who are being falsely depicted without proof.

If it was you who submitted the photo, I would have to wonder what possible good objective you had in offering it for general forum viewing. As I also wonder why the OP posted a deplorable picture with clown noses. It is so easy to paste these red objects on a nose to make the bishop look foolish. I could just as easily make a snake come out of another’s ear, and other such nonsense.
I apologize…

People had made a big deal out of where Bp. Trautman was wearing his stole…and I simply posted a picture of Cardinal Arinze doing likewise when celebrating a mass.
 
Thanks Rpp,

Far more charitable for me to believe it was a fake and excuse it, than to indulge myself in scoffing at a prelate. I’m conscious that one who is without sin may cast the first stone, so that leaves me out…😛

As for the other photo, it was a fake, and I apologize, for I remember that it was NOT Frommi who submitted it.
 
Let’s see, in the bible:
Filthy Language… nothing explicit
Immoral Behavior… lots
Gratuitous violence… some scattered here and there throughout the old testament
banal content… a little.
Leftist politics… read acts carefully. The leftists think they’re living up to it.
Sex… Plenty in the old testament. Most of it glossed over. But the Song of Solomon… WOOT!
Yes, all that stuff is in the Bible…but there’s a difference between acknowledging it, and celebrating it or indulging in it, don’t you think?

Tell you what: here’s something else from the Bible that I think we should use in our liturgies, whattaya think? I get a little tired of all those “lovey-dovey” Psalms we use for the responsorial between readings; so I went through and picked out some new ones. Hows about we use some of these for our Sunday Masses?

Psalm 3:7—
Arise, O LORD!
Deliver me, O my God!
Strike all my enemies on the jaw;
break the teeth of the wicked.

Psalm 35—
4 May those who seek my life
be disgraced and put to shame;
may those who plot my ruin
be turned back in dismay.

5 May they be like chaff before the wind,
with the angel of the LORD driving them away;

6 may their path be dark and slippery,
with the angel of the LORD pursuing them.

Psalm 55—
15 Let death take my enemies by surprise;
let them go down alive to the grave,
for evil finds lodging among them.

Psalm 58—
6 Break the teeth in their mouths, O God;
tear out, O LORD, the fangs of the lions!

7 Let them vanish like water that flows away;
when they draw the bow, let their arrows be blunted.

8 Like a slug melting away as it moves along,
like a stillborn child, may they not see the sun.

Psalm 63—
9 They who seek my life will be destroyed;
they will go down to the depths of the earth.

10 They will be given over to the sword
and become food for jackals.

Psalm 69—
22 May the table set before them become a snare;
may it become retribution and a trap.

23 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.

24 Pour out your wrath on them;
let your fierce anger overtake them.

25 May their place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in their tents.

26 For they persecute those you wound
and talk about the pain of those you hurt.

27 Charge them with crime upon crime;
do not let them share in your salvation.

28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

Psalm 83—
13 Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
like chaff before the wind.

14 As fire consumes the forest
or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,

15 so pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your storm.

16 Cover their faces with shame
so that men will seek your name, O LORD.

17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
may they perish in disgrace.

Psalm 109—
7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him.

8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.

9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.

10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven from their ruined homes.

11 May a creditor seize all he has;
may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

12 May no one extend kindness to him
or take pity on his fatherless children.

13 May his descendants be cut off,
their names blotted out from the next generation.

14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the LORD;
may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

15 May their sins always remain before the LORD,
that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

Psalm 140—
7 O Sovereign LORD, my strong deliverer,
who shields my head in the day of battle-

8 do not grant the wicked their desires, O LORD;
do not let their plans succeed,
or they will become proud.
Selah

9 Let the heads of those who surround me
be covered with the trouble their lips have caused.

10 Let burning coals fall upon them;
may they be thrown into the fire,
into miry pits, never to rise.

Somehow, I don’t think anybody will go for that. Those Psalms aren’t “politically correct”.

But they are in the Bible.
 
Methinks the noble lord bishop must believe that full glory and richness of the sacred mysteries is only for the elect, like him, and the simple faithful have to be spoon-fed watered down gobbets, which of course he will choose. This is not pastoral care. This is esotericism.

Which is more difficult for the average parish priest in an average parish - to explain unfamiliar words, or to make up for the deficit of spiritual understanding which arises from having an over-simplified Mass text?
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To paraphrase J.K. Rowling:
"Before this Missal goes into effect, I would like to say a few words.

"Sullied! Unfeigned! Gibbet! Thwart!

“Thank you.”

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Wait…um…that’s my Bishop… I think I wanna cry…
 
You know, I think I’m most disturbed by the notion that words like “sullied,” “unfeigned,” “gibbet,” “thwart” and the like are difficult and unfamiliar words. Gibbet is probably the only word that isn’t in my everyday writing, and that’s really only because of its meaning.
 
Wolseley :

I’ve heard some of these, recently, in church. Specifically, I recall the Psalm 3 vs 7…
 
Bless you Aramis,

I liked the verse, and noted with particular keenness the following one:
8 For thou hast struck all them who are my adversaries without cause: thou hast broken the teeth of sinners.
I had occasion to lament over the treatment of a friend yesterday. The parable of the vineyard came to mind.

Mt. 21:32 For John came to you in the way of justice, and you did not believe him. But the publicans and the harlots believed him: but you, seeing it, did not even afterwards repent, that you might believe him.

35 And the husbandmen laying hands on his servants, beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again he sent other servants more than the former; and they did to them in like manner. 37 And last of all he sent to them his son, saying: They will reverence my son. 38 But the husbandmen seeing the son, said among themselves: This is the heir: come, let us kill him, and we shall have his inheritance. 39 And taking him, they cast him forth out of the vineyard, and killed him.

**40. When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do to those husbandmen? **

Food for thought today. 🙂
 
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