Bishops and Political Action

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I think many will agree that the primary responsibility of US Bishops is to save Amercian souls. The primary responsbility of Canadian Bishops is to save Canadian souls. The primary resonsiblity of Mexican Bishops is to save Mexican souls. (Much like the Apostles taught in different areas and were given the gift of language.)

On June 2 - 4, a Committee of Canadian, Mexican and US Bishops will be meeting to discuss Migration. Many of the US Bishops attending have taken a position against the Arizona law at one time or another over the past several weeks.

As far as has been proven there is no genocide, religious persecution, starvation, or other grave situations to cause significant numbers of refugees.
There will be no significant splitting up of families since there are 11 million Illegal immigrants in the US and each has a right to his/her day in Court - at US expense -since they are entitled to an Attorney if they can not afford one.

In the US, over 80% of all baptized Catholics do not attend Sunday Mass on a regular basis.

So the 7 questions that need to be answered are:
  1. Have the US Bishops done their primary job well enough to allow them to spend valuable time getting involved in government politics under “Social Justice”?
  2. Looking at their very active “Social Justice” political program on the USCCB web site, which gives almost no reference to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”, how do you feel about many of your Bishops getting so involved in politics?
  3. By the Bishops sending so many communications to government officials which are not grave issues, some under the guise of the “poor” and even lending themselves toward socialism, how does this effect your rights to choose how you wish to vote ?
  4. Do you trust the current President and current Congress to make good immigration changes on behalf of the USA ?
  5. Are the Bishops hurting their credibility and driving some away from the Faith by being so involved in politics including “climate change”?
  6. Do the Bishops understand the financial ramifications, employment ramifications, and all other aspects of politics to make a well informed, intelligent decision, or will they merely be ingnored by those in Washington - or be “used” to support one side or the other?
  7. What impact will this have on our Church in the US ?
  8. Are US Bishops leading us into Socialism?
See USCCB web site before answering.
usccb.org/
then click on “Social Justice Issues”, and start reading. You will be surprised, including their post card campaign.

I hate to say this, but when you look at all the Social Justice and Political issues on the web site - including a statement that they need to “shape” society, I would pull their tax exempt status. They have become a socialist PAC, that does not look like the Catechism teachings.

Here are some facts before you answer.
American unemployment currently at 9.9%
dol.gov/
Mexico unemployment rate at 6%. indexmundi.com/mexico/unemployment_rate.html
States borrowing millions and billions from Feds for unemployment of Americans.
economicpolicyjournal.com…-treasury.html
economicpolicyjournal.com…-treasury.html

Due to US Government over-spending that will effect most American families (taxypayers) for many years to come,the USA in no longer a weathly Country, and should not be considered as such.

U.S. posts 19th straight monthly budget deficit
WASHINGTON
" The United States posted an $82.69 billion deficit in April, nearly four times the $20.91 billion shortfall registered in April 2009 and the largest on record for that month, the Treasury Department said on Wednesday.

It was more than twice the $40-billion deficit that Wall Street economists surveyed by Reuters had forecast and was striking since April marks the filing deadline for individual income taxes that are the main source of government revenue.
Department officials said that in prior years, there was a surplus during April in 43 out of the past 56 years.
The government has now posted 19 consecutive monthly budget deficits, the longest string of shortfalls on record.

For the first seven months of fiscal 2010, which ends September 30, the cumulative budget deficit totals $799.68 billion, down slightly from $802.3 billion in the comparable period of fiscal 2009.
Outlays during April rose to $327.96 billion from $218.75 billion in March and were up from $287.11 billion in April 2009. It was a record level of outlays for an April.
Department officials noted there were five Fridays in April this year, which helped account for higher outlays since most tax refunds are issued on that day.
But for the first seven months of the fiscal year, outlays fell to $1.99 trillion from $2.06 trillion in the comparable period of fiscal 2009, partly because of repayments by banks of bailout funds they received during the financial crisis.
Receipts in April – mostly from income taxes – were $245.27 billion, up from $153.36 billion in March but lower than the $266.21 billion taken in during April 2009.
Receipts from individuals, who faced an April 15 filing deadline for paying 2009 taxes, fell to $107.31 billion from $137.67 billion in April 2009.
The U.S. full-year deficit this year is projected at $1.5 trillion on top of a $1.4 trillion shortfall last year.
White House budget director Peter Orszag told Reuters Insider in an interview on Wednesday that the United States must tackle its deficits quickly to avoid the kind of debt crisis that hit Greece."
 
In the US, over 80% of all baptized Catholics do not attend Sunday Mass on a regular basis.

Then xcommunicate the lot and tell them if they want to come back, the confessional is ready and waiting. We must take a stand here, and those that claim the faith, must adhere to it, otherwise, let them join the protestant denominations…because they are doing just that, protesting the Catholic faith by not attending mass. We need church leaders that are not afraid to make a stand, this politically correct, luke warmness within them must come to and end now…
 
They are all in state of mortal sin regarding not attending Mass on Sunday (unless they did not know it was a grave sin).

The USA has become a missionary Country, and needs much work -starting with our Bishops, giving solid Catholic directions to our Priests, who need to give solid direction to the rest of us, so that we can all work together. So what’s the workable Plan?

Why haven’t most Bishops made a concerted effort to encourage reading and studying the Catechism?

Its much easier to spend our time and energy on “Global Warming / Climate Change” (even though it has been proven to be a hoax), and “Social Justice within the United States” than taking care of religious responsiblities.
 
They are all in state of mortal sin regarding not attending Mass on Sunday (unless they did not know it was a grave sin).

The USA has become a missionary Country, and needs much work -starting with our Bishops, giving solid Catholic directions to our Priests, who need to give solid direction to the rest of us, so that we can all work together. So what’s the workable Plan?

Why haven’t most Bishops made a concerted effort to encourage reading and studying the Catechism?

Its much easier to spend our time and energy on “Global Warming / Climate Change” (even though it has been proven to be a hoax), and “Social Justice within the United States” than taking care of religious responsiblities.
They are far more concerned with remaining pleasent to those that attend, even if it means having to luke warm down their approach to the faith, the ones that show up, give a lot of money, without them showing up, less money and if a priest is telling them how it really is, they will not attend, losing money for what ever activity and program the parish has going on, so in turn, they no longer preach the truth if it means ruffling some feathers. It’s turning into big business and this absolutely must stop in the here and now. I’m totally disgusted with the local powers that be in this state due to that one and i HAVE MET THE ONES IN CHARGE ALREADY WHICH CONFIRMED IT.
 
  1. Have the US Bishops done their primary job…
No. Statistics regularly show Catholics have roughly the same positions as non-Catholics so it is pretty obvious that their beliefs are not being formed by what the Church teaches.
  1. … how do you feel about many of your Bishops getting so involved in politics?
They should have very little involvement and there is quite likely a close and inverse relationship between their political activity and the faith of the “faithful.”
  1. By the Bishops sending so many communications to government officials which are not grave issues,… how does this effect your rights to choose how you wish to vote?
It doesn’t, but that’s only because I feel no obligation to prefer a bishop’s prudential opinions over my own and I believe that they gravely misuse their moral authority in implying otherwise.
  1. Are the Bishops hurting their credibility and driving some away from the Faith by being so involved in politics including “climate change”?
Not just climate change but pretty much every other political issue as well.
  1. Do the Bishops understand …
Very few have any special competence outside of their Church office, but even if they did it doesn’t change the fact that solutions to political problems involve prudential opinions about which the laity is free to form their own.
  1. What impact will this have on our Church in the US?
We are seeing the effect: the Church is hemorrhaging believers.
  1. Are US Bishops leading us into Socialism?
I would hesitate to say that they are leading us anywhere.

Ender
 
Am I alone?

An article in our diocese’s newspaper stated the following: “…in which he [Pope Benedict XVI] identified several challenges facing the world such as respect for the environment, the just division of goods, solidarity with poor countries, promotion of dignity in labor, building a culture of life and promoting peace”

The article referred to the usccb.org/campus website which I visited. I was not surprised by the statist content but disappointed once again - to the point of returning to the Catholic Answers website in search of likeminded Catholics.

As a revert (fallen away Catholic but returned), I am strongly bound to my Catholic faith yet feel increasingly alienated from my bishop, my priests, my deacons, my fellow Catholics - many of whom seem to embrace a statist theology behind the banner of Social Justice.

MediaWatch asked a number of good questions concluding: Are the US Bishops leading us to Socialism? In my opinion, the answer is no, not leading, but yes, complicit. We have a leftist administration that is leading this country toward socialism. Media and academia are supporting this movement. Evidently, so are strong elements within the Catholic Church.

The Catholic citizen who wants to stop this movement must not only stand up to the government but to his Church. I am sick to my stomach. It seems we are losing our country and our Church.
Jim
 
Am I alone?
Not by a long shot.
As a revert (fallen away Catholic but returned), I am strongly bound to my Catholic faith yet feel increasingly alienated from my bishop, my priests, my deacons, my fellow Catholics - many of whom seem to embrace a statist theology behind the banner of Social Justice.
It is certainly true that Church offices are dominated by this kind of thought … which is all the more reason to express contrary views and not to abandon the field. There are a lot of people who feel as you do who have been intimidated into keeping silent.
We have a leftist administration that is leading this country toward socialism. Media and academia are supporting this movement. Evidently, so are strong elements within the Catholic Church.
The tiny silver thread in this mountain of gloom is that this is becoming more apparent even to people who don’t normally consider such things.
The Catholic citizen who wants to stop this movement must not only stand up to the government but to his Church. I am sick to my stomach. It seems we are losing our country and our Church.
We don’t need to stand against the Church, only against those who use it to attain political objectives. This opposition can start with the USCCB.

Ender
 
What you can do -

Write to the USCCB and ask them to forward to all Bishops with a copy to the Papal Nuncio.
cc: you must copy the Vatican so it does not fall on deaf ears.
cc Your own Diocese Bishop.

Be respectful.
Document your position for accuracy by using the Catechism and/or Canon law or other excellent authority.

We can no longer afford to be couch potatoes.

I sent emails with my letter attached since they can print the letter out for their files, committees etc., and its easier to read.

Don’t expect an answer since they are very busy. Give it a few weeks to see what happens.
 
VERY Very Important -

My posts are in no way meant to be negative toward the majority of our Bishops.
Most are very good men, who want to do the right thing.
When Bishops do the right thing be sure to say - “thank you”

Respect is important in our communications with our Church leaders.

Pray for our Pope, our Bishops and our Priests every day.
What would we do without them !
 
Thanks for the responses and the re-enforcement. It helped. Jim
 
I think many will agree that the primary responsibility of US Bishops is to save Amercian souls. The primary responsbility of Canadian Bishops is to save Canadian souls. The primary resonsiblity of Mexican Bishops is to save Mexican souls.

An interesting yet debatable point.

Is this based on your own opinion, or some Catholic teaching? Whether we agree with your assumption or not depends on your answer.
 
Am I alone?

MediaWatch asked a number of good questions concluding: Are the US Bishops leading us to Socialism? In my opinion, the answer is no, not leading, but yes, complicit. We have a leftist administration that is leading this country toward socialism. Media and academia are supporting this movement. Evidently, so are strong elements within the Catholic Church.

**The Catholic citizen who wants to stop this movement must not only stand up to the government but to his Church. ** I am sick to my stomach. It seems we are losing our country and our Church.
Jim
No, you are NOT alone but it is becoming a little frightening isn’t it? I truly believe the Church in this country is in a defacto schism with Rome. And has been since the American bishops soundly rejected Humanae Vitae in the '60’s and got away with it.

I will not embrace the political activism of our bishops, nor do I accept their current interpretation of social justice since it is far removed from earlier church documents condemning socialism. Here are some interesting links for anyone interested:

The Authoritarian State Has Become Our Subsitute God

catholicmediacoalition.org/authoritarian_state_god.htm

A Lost Opportunity:
(Review Essay) The Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church


acton.org/publications/mandm/mandm_article_33.php

I find solace in the writings of the past saints. Try St. Catherine of Siena - she too, had to fight for the Church. I also study orthodox material that I know is Truth!
 
I think many will agree that the primary responsibility of US Bishops is to save Amercian souls.
You are correct:
**The first duty of the bishop is the spiritual welfare of those who reside in his diocese. **That includes preaching the Gospel not only to the converted but, even more importantly, to the unconverted. In the day-to-day matters of life, the bishop guides his flock, to help them better understand the Christian faith and concretely translate it into action. He ordains priests and deacons to assist him in preaching the Gospel and celebrating the sacraments.
 
No, you are NOT alone but it is becoming a little frightening isn’t it? I truly believe the Church in this country is in a defacto schism with Rome.
Wow! What a thought! Good thing the Pope, Vatican, and American Bishops don’t think this or the U.S. Catholic Church would really be lost!
 
I will not embrace the political activism of our bishops, nor do I accept their current interpretation of social justice since it is far removed from earlier church documents condemning socialism.
So, when it comes to forming a Catholic conscience regarding social justice, whom DO you follow, if you don’t follow the Bishops (shepherds) that God and the Church have ordained? Just curious.
 
So, when it comes to forming a Catholic conscience regarding social justice, whom DO you follow, if you don’t follow the Bishops (shepherds) that God and the Church have ordained? Just curious.
Conforming ones conscience to the teaching of the Church has nothing whatever to do with conforming ones political views to the opinions of a handful of bishops. When bishops offer their political views these should be seen for what they are: personal opinions that carry no moral obligation for the laity to accept them. It is not we who are wrong for rejecting them but they who are wrong for implying that we should accept them in the first place.

Ender
 
I recommend that you return your DSF pledge with the explanation that you can no longer support the political positions of the US Bishops as represented by the USCCB. That is what I did. Some are even sending in tea bags.
I told the Archbishop my money will instead go directly to charities that conform to the catechism and my own conscience as to what is good for the Church, People, and the future of freedom.
I’m lucky to live in a Parish that oversubscribes to their quota to the DSF, so my parish will not be hurt.
 
Conforming ones conscience to the teaching of the Church has nothing whatever to do with conforming ones political views to the opinions of a handful of bishops. When bishops offer their political views these should be seen for what they are: personal opinions that carry no moral obligation for the laity to accept them. It is not we who are wrong for rejecting them but they who are wrong for implying that we should accept them in the first place.

Ender
I’m not talking about a handful of bishops. I am talking about a national conference of bishops. We are all members of political states/nations, like it or not. As Catholics, we have a role in those nations and states.

Bishops’ teaching are not personal opinions.
 
I’m not talking about a handful of bishops. I am talking about a national conference of bishops.
The authority of the national conference of bishops is not represented by comments emanating from a committee of the USCCB. National conferences have authority only when their decrees are voted on by a sufficient (2/3? 3/4?) majority of its members. Beyond that, I am aware of no specific actions that have been demanded of us. If you believe we have been instructed otherwise you need to cite the document.
Bishops’ teaching are not personal opinions.
Yes, sometimes they are, as when they go off suggesting specific solutions to political problems.

Ender
 
All of you guys who are harping against our bishops on social justice issues, here are my questions for your?
  1. Have you read Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum.
  2. Have you read John Paul II’s Laborem Exercens
  3. Have you read Benedict XVI’s Caritas in Veritate.
  4. Do you own a copy of “COMPENDIUM OF THE SOCIAL DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH”?
All of these come out of Rome, not our USCCB. John Paul II thought social justice so important he had the Vatican issue an entire book on the subject, just like with the catechism. Before you come down too hard on the US Bishop’s on this issue (and there is valid criticism to be made, IMO), you should at least educate yourselfs about church teaching on the subject.
It is unfortunate that the topic of immigration has driven a wedge between the faithful and a proper understanding of social justice. We went through a horrible period where every liberal notion in the book was adopted by the church leader’s in the name of social justice. Thanks to the teachings of our last two popes and a swing in the pendelum in all things Catholic, we were making strong headway in recovering authentic social justice teachings. Now, due to one issue, the conservative catholics in this country are trashing everything that is described as social justice and in the process adopting some very bad positions and forfeiting the topic to the left. The Bishops rightly know that the church has a place on social justice issues, but all the help they will have will be the political left. It is really an instance of people following their political allies blindly. The other day I actually heard a priest on EWTN radio say “social justice has become a euphemism for liberation theology”. That is completely absurd and JPII would turn over if he heard it.
 
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