I don’t see why not.Does a bishop had the authority to excommunicate someone? I thought only the Pope could. But now I am thinking I was wrong. I may need to correct some info I told a non-Catholic friend. I told them I would follow up on my answer to be sure. If a bishop can doe it ultimatley have to be review and approved by the Pope?
Yes, a bishop has this authority in his diocese and for those under his jurisdiction.Does a bishop had the authority to excommunicate someone? I thought only the Pope could. But now I am thinking I was wrong. I may need to correct some info I told a non-Catholic friend. I told them I would follow up on my answer to be sure. If a bishop can doe it ultimatley have to be review and approved by the Pope?
This link sheds no reliable light on the Catholic Church’s teaching on the authority of bishops, or anything else Catholic, since it was written by a sedevacantist who opposed the Catholic Church. I might consider him reliable when writing about his own Church, but not mine.See if this helps: friarsminor.org/xix6-12.html
Oh, well, nothing against the poster, the URL DID look authentic Franciscan. You really have to look closely these days.I am so very sorry. I saw the “friarsminor” URL and thought they were the REAL Friars Minor.
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I don’t see how this rubbish can be of any assistance.See if this helps: friarsminor.org/xix6-12.html
We all make mistakes. I did not realise until I read the text. Sorry if my last post was harsh.I am so very sorry. I saw the “friarsminor” URL and thought they were the REAL Friars Minor.
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That’s not correct because it depends.If you get an abortion that’s automatic excommunication But I believe Priests have the authority to lift the excommunication with proper penance.
That’s not correct because it depends.
If a woman getting an abortion does not know such an act is even a sin of grave matter she has not even committed a mortal sin so any penalty attached does not apply.
If a woman getting an abortion knows such an act is a sin of grave matter but goes ahead then she commits a mortal sin but does not know about the automatic excommunication then she is not excommunicated.
If a woman knows getting an abortion is a sin of grave matter and carries with it automatic excommunication but is coerced against her will to have an abortion then she has not committed a mortal sin and nor is she excommunicated.
By the way, excommunication being lifted is not conditional upon a proper penance. A woman just has to go to Confession with genuine contrition and she will be absolved.
Actually, whatever sins are being confessed absolution is not conditional upon any specific penance being given or performed.
I know you must sin of your own will, but how is a woman coerced into an abortion? You mean if she is “young an impressionable”? That makes sense. Now if someone is holding a gun to your head and says “Kill this person or I’ll kill you!”, Humm that’s one that’s not too clear to me.That’s not correct because it depends.
If a woman getting an abortion does not know such an act is even a sin of grave matter she has not even committed a mortal sin so any penalty attached does not apply.
If a woman getting an abortion knows such an act is a sin of grave matter but goes ahead then she commits a mortal sin but does not know about the automatic excommunication then she is not excommunicated.
If a woman knows getting an abortion is a sin of grave matter and carries with it automatic excommunication but is coerced against her will to have an abortion then she has not committed a mortal sin and nor is she excommunicated.
By the way, excommunication being lifted is not conditional upon a proper penance. A woman just has to go to Confession with genuine contrition and she will be absolved.
Actually, whatever sins are being confessed absolution is not conditional upon any specific penance being given or performed.
Some kinds of acts can’t be undone; such as a woman getting an abortion. Other kinds of actions are ongoing; a politician who supports legal abortion, maintains publicly that they are a practicing, even exemplary Catholic. If the ongoing situation - I would say ongoing sin of scandal - is confessed, the penance would be crucial - to stop supporting abortion, or if they won’t do that, to refrain from Holy Communion.That’s not correct because it depends.
If a woman getting an abortion does not know such an act is even a sin of grave matter she has not even committed a mortal sin so any penalty attached does not apply.
If a woman getting an abortion knows such an act is a sin of grave matter but goes ahead then she commits a mortal sin but does not know about the automatic excommunication then she is not excommunicated.
If a woman knows getting an abortion is a sin of grave matter and carries with it automatic excommunication but is coerced against her will to have an abortion then she has not committed a mortal sin and nor is she excommunicated.
By the way, excommunication being lifted is not conditional upon a proper penance. A woman just has to go to Confession with genuine contrition and she will be absolved.
Actually, whatever sins are being confessed absolution is not conditional upon any specific penance being given or performed.
Sit outside abortion clinics more often. I’ve seen teens literally dragged in by the arm by their parents.I know you must sin of your own will, but how is a woman coerced into an abortion? You mean if she is “young an impressionable”? That makes sense. Now if someone is holding a gun to your head and says “Kill this person or I’ll kill you!”, Humm that’s one that’s not too clear to me.
Bill
Stopping supporting abortion is not penance. Penance (also known as satisfaction) is something like “Say three Hail Marys” or “Abstain from meat for a week” or “Wear sackloth and sit in ashes.” What you describe is repentance and contrition, definitely things that are necessary in order to lift sanctions and grant absolution.Some kinds of acts can’t be undone; such as a woman getting an abortion. Other kinds of actions are ongoing; a politician who supports legal abortion, maintains publicly that they are a practicing, even exemplary Catholic. If the ongoing situation - I would say ongoing sin of scandal - is confessed, the penance would be crucial - to stop supporting abortion, or if they won’t do that, to refrain from Holy Communion.
My understanding is that a few Catholic politicians have been contacted, and have - sadly - chosen not to give up abortion advocacy, but at least are now refraining from Holy Communion. These situations are mostly confidential.
Why wouldn’t they have that power? Surely a synod has more authority than a bishop no?It’s actually an interesting question, because there has been controversy over a bishop’s sovereign perogative to excommunicate those under his jurisdiction.
In 2009, a nine-year-old Brazilian girl underwent an abortion. Archbishop José Sobrinho acknowledged that a latae sententiae excommunication applied to the girl’s mother and the doctors who performed the murder. This led to outcry, and Archbishop Sobrinho was essentially reversed by the Brazilian episcopal conference. This case is altogether peculiar to me, because I had labored under the impression that the episcopal conference has no such authority or power anywhere.
An episcopal conference is NOT a synod. Not even close.Why wouldn’t they have that power? Surely a synod has more authority than a bishop no?