Bishops/Celibacy?

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Quinsext Council (Council in Trullo), 692 **(Justinian II called it)
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CANON XII.
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        MOREOVER this also has come to our knowledge, that in Africa                          and Libya and in other places the most God-beloved bishops in                          those parts do not refuse to live with their wives, even after                          consecration, thereby giving scandal and offence to the people.                          Since, therefore, it is our particular care that all filings tend                          to the good of file flock placed in our harris and committed to                          us,--it has seemed good that henceforth nothing of the kind shall                          in any way occur. And we say this, not to abolish and overthrow                          what things were established of old by Apostolic authority, but                          as caring for the health of the people and their advance to better                          things, and lest the ecclesiastical state should suffer any reproach.                          For the divine Apostle says: "Do all to the glory of God,                          give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Greeks, nor                          to the Church of God, even as I please all men in all things,                          not seeking mine own profit but the profit of many, that they                          may be saved. Be ye imitators of me even as I also am of Christ."                          But if any shall have been observed to do such a thing, let him                          be deposed. 

        NOTES. 

        ANCIENT EPITOME OF CANON XII.
Although it has been decreed that wives are not to be cast forth, nevertheless that we may counsellor the better, we give command that no one ordained a bishop shall any longer live with his wife.
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        ARISTENUS. 
        The fifth Apostolic canon allows neither bishop, presbyter,                          nor deacon to cast forth his wife under pretext of piety; and                          assigns penalties for any that shall do so, and if he will not                          amend he is to be deposed. But this canon on the other hand does                          not permit a bishop even to live with his wife after his consecration.                          But by this change no contempt is meant to be poured out upon                          what had been established by Apostolic authority, but it was made                          through care for the people's health and for leading on to better                          things, and for fear that the sacerdotal estate might suffer some wrong. 

        VAN ESPEN. 
        ([In Can. vi. Apost.) 
        In the time of this canon [of the Apostles so called] not                          only presbyters and deacons, but bishops also, it is clear, were                          allowed by Eastern custom to have their wives;and Zonaras and                          Balsamon note that even until the Sixth Council, commonly called                          in Trullo bishops were allowed to have their wives. 
        (The same on this canon.) 
        But not only do they command [in this, canon] that bishops                          after their consecration no longer have commerce with their own                          wives, but further, they prohibit them even to presume to live                          with them. 

        ZONARAS. 
        When the faith first was born and came forth into the world,                          the Apostles treated with greater softness and indulgence those                          who embraced the truth, which as yet was not scattered far and                          wide, nor did they exact from them perfection in all respects,                          but made great allowances for their weakness and for the inveterate                          force of the customs with which they were surrounded, both among                          the heathen and among the Jews. But now, when far and wide our                          religion has been propagated, more strenuous efforts were made                          to enforce those things which pertain to a higher and holier life,                          as our angelical worship increased day by day, and to insist on                          by law a life of continence to those who were elevated to the                          episcopate, so that not only they should abstain from their wives,                          but that they should have them no longer as bed-fellows; and not                          only that they no longer admit them as sharers of their bed, but                          they do not allow them even to stop under the same roof or in                          the house.
fordham.edu/halsall/basis/trullo.asp
 
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Does one need to be an ordained priest to benefit from monasticism?
It it’s required of all bishops (celibacy) it seems as though it might be of benefit to all that are ordained priests?
 
Does a Catholic priest need to be a monk and/or from the Latin Rite in order to benefit from being celibate?
 
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Does one need to be an ordained priest to benefit from monasticism?
Based on the fact that monastics are so highly revered in the Byzantine tradition, and the fact that bishops are almost exclusively selected from the monastic ranks, I would assume that the East sees the monastic life as the “highest” vocation; Ie. the vocation that is best suited at nurturing a life of faith, hope, and charity and following in the footsteps of Christ. This is the teaching of the Latin Church (for consecrated life in general)…and certainly St. Paul says as much in 1 Corinthians 7. Would all priests benefit from celibacy? No…I wouldn’t say that…but is celibacy a greater vocation than marriage? Yes, it is.
 
Would all priests benefit from celibacy? No…I wouldn’t say that…but is celibacy a greater vocation than marriage? Yes, it is.
How so? Is not marriage sacramental in nature (as is the priesthood)?
 
How so? Is not marriage sacramental in nature (as is the priesthood)?
Marriage is a sacrament and thus a very holy state…certainly nothing wrong or defective with it. Yet that doesn’t mean that the consecrated/monastic life isn’t a higher vocation…for Catholics this was definitively clarified at Trent - but it goes back to St. Paul in 1 Cor. 7:
I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. 33 But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction…38 So then, the one who marries his virgin does well;** the one who does not marry her will do better.** (emphasis added) - NAB
…and Our Blessed Lord:
Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, *because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.” ** Mat. 19:12 NAB - emphasis added
I’m in no way arguing against a married presbyterate… but there are sound reasons why the Universal Church has imposed a celibate episcopate (and in the Latin Church, with a few exceptions, presbyterate).
 
Marriage is a sacrament and thus a very holy state…certainly nothing wrong or defective with it. Yet that doesn’t mean that the consecrated/monastic life isn’t a higher vocation…for Catholics this was definitively clarified at Trent - but it goes back to St. Paul in 1 Cor. 7:
…and Our Blessed Lord:

I’m in no way arguing against a married presbyterate… but there are sound reasons why the Universal Church has imposed a celibate episcopate (and in the Latin Church, with a few exceptions, presbyterate).
Very well put. Some great food for though. I think sometimes the gift that is the “higher order” of celibacy is sometimes misunderstood or forgotten altogether.
 
I don’t think there would be any prohibition for a single, never married, secular, Eastern Catholic or Orthodox priest from becoming a bishop.
I know that we have had religious bishops in the Ruthenian church in the USA (our last Metropolitan was a Franciscan, I think I heard - he never wore a veil, though - is it because the Franciscans are mendicants and not monastics?), I think it’s also common that our bishops are secular, because, thanks to Archbishop Ireland and the likes, most of our secular clergy are celibate.
 
I know that we have had religious bishops in the Ruthenian church in the USA (our last Metropolitan was a Franciscan, I think I heard - he never wore a veil, though - is it because the Franciscans are mendicants and not monastics?), I think it’s also common that our bishops are secular, because, thanks to Archbishop Ireland and the likes, most of our secular clergy are celibate.
William Skurla the Metro of Pittsburgh was a Franciscan. I’m not entirely sure he is still one, although he might be. I have no idea why he does not wear a veil?
 
William Skurla the Metro of Pittsburgh was a Franciscan. I’m not entirely sure he is still one, although he might be. I have no idea why he does not wear a veil?
“… William Skurla entered the Byzantine Franciscan community in Sybertsville, Pa. in 1981 and was solemnly professed in 1985. Bishop Michael Dudick ordained him to the diaconate in 1986 and to the priesthood in 1987 at St. Mary Byzantine Catholic Church in Freeland , Pa. In 1996, having received and accepted his dispensation from solemn vows as a member of the Order of Friars Minor (OFM), he was incardinated into the Eparchy of Van Nuys, where he served as Pastoral Administrator at St. Melany Byzantine Catholic Church in Tucson, Ariz. from 1993 until 2002.”
archeparchy.org/page/metropolitan/metropolitan.htm
 
Right now are there any married bishops in the world?

Has there ever been a married bishop?

Has there ever been a married cardinal?

Has a widower ever been a cardinal?

Other than St. Peter has a widower ever been pope?
 
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