Bizarre reactions to conversion?

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dad–I’m sorry to hear that. For sure you’ll be in my prayers. My dad’s been indifferent, my mom’s been great, God has blessed me with a spiritual offensive blocker. She’s run interference for me with family that are not so understanding. I’m reading “The Imitation of Christ” right now, I blush to recommend such a simple book to someone with 38 years of experiencing faith in God but it’s a big help to me. Little doses every day to remind me–let go of attachment to this world (and peep’s perceptions of you) and keep your eyes on the prize, which is Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
God Bless us, everyone!😉
 
This is the “accusation” which angers me, the most. Because it has been overly exaggerated and “hyped” up by the media. The result has been a hostile backlash on the Church, and our priests… in particular. 😦

From reading and research, viewing on EWTN and other sources… I’ve discovered that the percentage of abuse among Catholic clergy is miniscule (very small)… compared to abuse in other areas of society. Of course, if even ONE priest or other Catholic clergy has abused a child… it is too much. :sad_yes: But why isn’t the media giving EQUAL coverage to the problem of child abuse, where it is MORE rampant?

The following report from the Catholic League… puts the problem in the proper perspective…

catholicleague.org/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm

“DT” God bless you, as you discern your possible vocation. You are in my prayers, dear soul.
I know what you mean about the percentages there. I wholeheartedly agree that one child who has been abused is too much… I was betrayed the same way by a protestant minister, so when I “fight dirty” (don’t point out my personal story, but just remind them that the percentage of Protestant clergy and secular teachers (and a few people who have pointed out the priest sex abuse scandals are teachers) who abuse children in the same way is much higher percentage than Catholic priests) I do so with some statistics (though since it’s late at night, I can’t quite remember). When they protest (and most of the times, they do) I try to “come to an agreement” that statistics, on either side, don’t come up, and we’ll just pray for the victims and perpetrators. I’ve shut down a couple of people’s comments using that tactic.

Thank you so much for your prayers in regard to my vocation! I really appreciate them. My parents, who are still PC(USA), have started to warm up to the idea… to the point of “if you’re happy, I’m happy”. Though I’m not quite sure if they realize that joining a convent really means that unless they’re at their deathbed, if they want to see me, they’ll have to come visit me. And just how much I will be “giving up” (though for spending my life exclusively seeking Jesus and God, with a community of others who are trying to do the same, I’m merely making my load lighter) to do so.
I recently told my parents that I would be starting RCIA soon after 38 years in the Presbyterian Church USA. My mother’s reaction was very negative. I know many who come from very conservative denominations often face deeply negative reactions from family and friends (e.g., saying things like “you’re going to hell”). Those of us coming from the far left also experience negativity, though usually it doesn’t take that form. For me, I have been labeled “bigoted” and “intolerant” (two favorite words of the left) for wanting to join the Catholic church. Some people look at the Church exclusively through the lens of social justice issues and ignore the underlying theology and doctrine. It’s okay, though, we’re all here because the Holy Spirit wants it that way. Stay the course.
I have a pretty good idea how this is. I, too, converted from the PC(USA). I’ve “blamed” it on my Sunday School teacher (😉 ) since they used abridged version of the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Of course, I looked up the complete documents… and as John Cardinal Newman said… to be immersed in history is to cease to be protestant. I bet many of those 38 years were spent with comments such as “We do x this way, because the Catholics got it wrong”. I was told many times that Catholic re-sacrificed Jesus every time they prayed Mass, that purgatory was unbiblical, that praying to Saints is necromancy… etc. The thing is, I never heard any other denominations get lambasted, nor any description of particular practices being based upon any other denomination “getting it wrong”.

Being in the South, I never really, as I was growing up, encountered many “leftists” (or whatever the term is now-a-days) in the PC(USA) around here. I only heard about those “up North” who would re-term the Holy Trinity as “Mother, Child, and Womb” and perform gay “marriages” and how if they succeded, that could affect our little church here unless we split and joined with another Presbyterian or Calvinist denomination… (another thing that got me running from the PC(USA)… and right into the arms of Mother Church).

The “bigoted” and “intolerant” labels remind me of a 5 year old… who when they get really frustrated and mad because they know the other party is right, start calling them names. Though I still get mad at people at times, I’ve gotten to the point when the name calling starts, I don’t (or rather, try not… hey, not perfect, yet! :D) get in the conversations, and I offer my prayers. I truely feel sorrow and pity for those who view church and religion as just another “social club”… how unfulfilling church must be for them (as it was for me for awhile)! I pray that they completely fall in love with Jesus as I have over the past couple of years, and that His love for them will completely engulf their hearts so they can be light and salt for the world!

E
 
I don’t know if it quite belongs here, or not… but one of the non-Catholic church here had this quote on their billboard (and your quote in your siggy reminded me of it, Monica). “Be an organ donor. Give your heart to Jesus!”
 
but yes, Jesus is our ‘bestest’ Friend 🙂
Amen! A couple of weeks ago, I was at a convent for a weeklong retreat… had some really “bad” heartburn (the kind Cleophas and his friend had when they were talking with the Resurrected Christ on the way to Emmaus)… and was being showered with all kinds of consolations. I told my confessor about my heart burn and how I felt like I was falling in love… his response was “With Jesus!!! How WONDEFUL!”.

When I get asked if I’m dating anyone… I’ll answer, “Yes, Jesus… but I don’t know if I want to marry him with the Trappistines, Carmalites, or Franciscans, yet” (and that’s how I got my username :)).
 
To follow up on the epithets of “bigotry” and “intolerance,” that some receive when converting, one aspect of the Presbyterian Church USA’s church polity that has become particularly troubling to me in recent years is the General Assembly’s consistent refusal to respond to certain overtures from so-called “confessing churches” affirming the Lordship of Jesus and his sacrifice as the sole means of salvation. That really should not be a problem for Christians of any stripe, and yet there is this whole “salvation debate” going on right now in the PCUSA. It’s one thing when you hear those kinds of noises in the pews, but when clergy start saying things like “What’s the big deal about Jesus?” and the highest governing body of the church can’t see its way clear to reaffirm the Lordship of Christ without forming half a dozen committees and task forces, then something is really wrong and, for me, it’s time to get out.

Truth is not a matter of whichever way the vote happens to go. When Jesus turned to Peter and asked him, “Who do you say that I am?” Peter did not wring his hands and say, “oh…jeez…um, well…I think, maybe…I’ll have to form an exploratory committee to study the matter and then, in a few years, we’ll call the question, which was a referendum on the earlier question of whether or not to defer the vote until next year.” Good grief! There is a large and growing contingent in the PCUSA that thinks it’s “bigoted” to affirm our Lord’s salvific action on behalf of the whole world, a contingent that wants the church to affirm all religions as equally valid. If that were true, then why did Christ say to his disciples just before His ascension, “Go and make disciples of all nations.”

Surely we as Christians ought to be able to proclaim the Gospel without being insensitive and intolerant of other faiths. Why can’t we just bear witness to what we believe to be true and let the Holy Spirit do the rest? Surely we can do that in a way that loves others and respects differences without throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. Why do so many liberals in the PCUSA think that Christ is just one more religious option among many…as if He were a matter of mere “preference?” Will it be coffee, tea, or He? As though our faith should just be a polite accouterment to an otherwise comfortable middle-class existence…the cherry on top of a generic spiritual sundae, nice to have but certainly to be jettisoned at the first sign of discomfort. Arrghhh!

All to often, it seems, people use terms like “tolerance” as a synonym for acceptance and agreement. Doesn’t tolerance require the presence of disagreement? After all, we don’t “tolerate” people we agree with. I could on and on, but I’ll stop, except to say that the Catholic Church does not vote on truth. Hallelujah!
 
I don’t know if it quite belongs here, or not… but one of the non-Catholic church here had this quote on their billboard (and your quote in your siggy reminded me of it, Monica). “Be an organ donor. Give your heart to Jesus!”
hehe 😉
Amen! A couple of weeks ago, I was at a convent for a weeklong retreat… had some really “bad” heartburn (the kind Cleophas and his friend had when they were talking with the Resurrected Christ on the way to Emmaus)… and was being showered with all kinds of consolations. I told my confessor about my heart burn and how I felt like I was falling in love… his response was “With Jesus!!! How WONDEFUL!”.

When I get asked if I’m dating anyone… I’ll answer, “Yes, Jesus… but I don’t know if I want to marry him with the Trappistines, Carmalites, or Franciscans, yet” (and that’s how I got my username :)).
it sounds like a great blessing 🙂 I don’t know if I have a religious vocation or if I should marry, but I have ‘fallen in love’ with Jesus too. If I marry it will still be true… but a big part of me really wants to just spend all my time with Him.
To follow up on the epithets of “bigotry” and “intolerance,” that some receive when converting, one aspect of the Presbyterian Church USA’s church polity that has become particularly troubling to me in recent years is the General Assembly’s consistent refusal to respond to certain overtures from so-called “confessing churches” affirming the Lordship of Jesus and his sacrifice as the sole means of salvation. That really should not be a problem for Christians of any stripe, and yet there is this whole “salvation debate” going on right now in the PCUSA. It’s one thing when you hear those kinds of noises in the pews, but when clergy start saying things like “What’s the big deal about Jesus?” and the highest governing body of the church can’t see its way clear to reaffirm the Lordship of Christ without forming half a dozen committees and task forces, then something is really wrong and, for me, it’s time to get out.
wow I had no idea… I thought the Presbyterian church was one of the more conservative Protestant churches, theologically speaking? (United church being liberal).
Truth is not a matter of whichever way the vote happens to go. When Jesus turned to Peter and asked him, “Who do you say that I am?” Peter did not wring his hands and say, “oh…jeez…um, well…I think, maybe…I’ll have to form an exploratory committee to study the matter and then, in a few years, we’ll call the question, which was a referendum on the earlier question of whether or not to defer the vote until next year.” Good grief!
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There is a large and growing contingent in the PCUSA that thinks it’s “bigoted” to affirm our Lord’s salvific action on behalf of the whole world, a contingent that wants the church to affirm all religions as equally valid. If that were true, then why did Christ say to his disciples just before His ascension, “Go and make disciples of all nations.”
so sad 😦

some people do think that simply believing in something is “intolerant”. ugh.
Surely we as Christians ought to be able to proclaim the Gospel without being insensitive and intolerant of other faiths. Why can’t we just bear witness to what we believe to be true and let the Holy Spirit do the rest? Surely we can do that in a way that loves others and respects differences without throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. Why do so many liberals in the PCUSA think that Christ is just one more religious option among many…as if He were a matter of mere “preference?” Will it be coffee, tea, or He? As though our faith should just be a polite accouterment to an otherwise comfortable middle-class existence…the cherry on top of a generic spiritual sundae, nice to have but certainly to be jettisoned at the first sign of discomfort. Arrghhh!
I agree it must be frustrating!
All to often, it seems, people use terms like “tolerance” as a synonym for acceptance and agreement. **Doesn’t tolerance require the presence of disagreement? After all, we don’t “tolerate” people we agree with. **I could on and on, but I’ll stop, except to say that the Catholic Church does not vote on truth. Hallelujah!
👍 I’ve alwyas thought so too, that tolerance requires disagreement.

I’m really glad the Catholic Church doesn’t vote on truth either. Even if they wanted to, they can’t, cause they’re bound to stay true to previous Church teaching and Councils. (since the Holy Spirit leads the Church). If someone were to say that Christ is not our Savior, there would be 2000 years of Church teaching and Scripture, and all the Saints and Martyrs, and the ECFs and the early Church Councils, going against them.
 
I have been tempted to, when I’ve been asked where I go to church, to tell people I don’t… I just dance naked in the woods around a big bonfire on Saturday nights drinking chicken and cow blood.
:rotfl:

… and hope that the person you tell this to doesn’t say something like, “Really? Me too!”
 
I became a Catholic when I was nineteen, and my parents said they would kick me out of the house if I did become a Catholic. But I became a Catholic and they didn’t. That was 45 years ago.
When I became a Catholic, I was going to school at a Protestant college in Ohio planning on becoming a minister. People there of course didn’t like my conversion. But there were some Catholic students there, and they did not welcome me. In fact, the only person who did welcome me was the Catholic priest at the neighboring town who helped me become a Catholic. I still am grateful to him.
 
Oh my goodness, YES! Just this past Sunday, I was in Wal-Mart with DH and Twosweetgirls, and came across an acquaintance whom I hadn’t seen in a few years.

We used to be members of a non-denom. fundamentalist church that imploded on itself about five years ago, and when I saw him at Wal-Mart on Sunday, the conversation turned to “so, where are you going to church now?” Not surprisingly, he was attending a charismatic fundamentalist fellowship. But gadzooks, the look of astonishment and wide eyes he got when I told him I was Catholic!

“Ooohhh. . . uh, soooo. . . how’d that come about?” he said cautiously. :rotfl: I told him a quick version of my story, and it was funny (but sad and unfortunate at the same time) but when I told him I had all the uninformed prejudices–Mary-worshipping, praying to statues, bowing to a wafer, all that baloney–he was nodding his head at every single myth, like he held the same views. Then I told him Jesus took care of all that junk and I knew I was born to be a Catholic.

“Oh, well. . . good to see you,” and off he went. Who knows how our conversation affected him–I can only pray that it caused him to think. 👍👍
 
This is the “accusation” which angers me, the most. Because it has been overly exaggerated and “hyped” up by the media. The result has been a hostile backlash on the Church, and our priests… in particular. 😦

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The problem is heightened by the fact it is a self infilcted wound. The Church handled this very poorly and caliming others are “worse” is not a valid defendse, IMO.
 
My friend,D, who got me started on this topic called me today to ask me more questions and make negative comments. Interestingly, in succeeding conversations there seem to be more questions and less negativity. I’m not sure if he’s fascinated by my conversion or the Church. If he can restrain himself I’m going to keep talking and keep praying!
 
It’s really more for protestants to dispell their myths but tell your friend to check out www.catholicbridge.com it’s a great website!

And Dad… I was very close to becoming a Presbyterian Minister (and was a Youth Director for a while) out of college. Oddly enough, heh, the experience wasn’t what I expected. While at the time it was more the fundies vs the liberals in the church that started me thinking it might not be for me… it was a issue that God put on my heart about His family and that Christanity was about more than just a “salvation experience” (I was raised Baptist btw).

That question lead me to spend a lot of time studying Judiasm, Kabbalah (in the early 90s before it became chic) and almost falling into Arian’s Heresy… but God didn’t let that happen. I continued to study over the years, we started having kids and I had pretty much settled into the SS teacher every few years, go to my PC-USA Church from time to time but not really worrying to much about my faith (I knew what I believed - I had a personal relationship) when I put my son in the local Parish pre-school (where I had attended Mass with a friend in College because she didn’t have a car). The liberal Presbyterians didn’t think anything of it but most of our family were Baptist and “concerned” so I thought, I know the Bible and I know Catholics are a least as “saved” as the rest of us but I’ll really dig in and figure this out so I can put the Baptist members of the family at ease…

Obviously God had other plans, it didn’t take long once I really dug in to realize God might be calling me home. When I went to School Mass (for the first time since college) with my son that fall I knew. I truly felt like I worshiped my God for the first time in many years (and I listen to Praise music often in my car and with my best friend - who is an evangelical but very open to Catholic teaching since my conversion). A lot of praying, studying etc… for a few years and my wife and I both became Catholic at the Easter Vigil 08 and have been VERY happy ever since!

From being raised in a VERY Anti-Catholic Baptist Church to the point I became Presbyterian in High School but also worked on a Catholic SEARCH retreat… it took me almost 20 more years to finally make it home… but I made it and would definitely say I’m “Catholic and loving it!”

Joe
 
Oh my goodness, YES! Just this past Sunday, I was in Wal-Mart with DH and Twosweetgirls, and came across an acquaintance whom I hadn’t seen in a few years.

We used to be members of a non-denom. fundamentalist church that imploded on itself about five years ago, and when I saw him at Wal-Mart on Sunday, the conversation turned to “so, where are you going to church now?” Not surprisingly, he was attending a charismatic fundamentalist fellowship. But gadzooks, the look of astonishment and wide eyes he got when I told him I was Catholic!

“Ooohhh. . . uh, soooo. . . how’d that come about?” he said cautiously. :rotfl: I told him a quick version of my story, and it was funny (but sad and unfortunate at the same time) but when I told him I had all the uninformed prejudices–Mary-worshipping, praying to statues, bowing to a wafer, all that baloney–he was nodding his head at every single myth, like he held the same views. Then I told him Jesus took care of all that junk and I knew I was born to be a Catholic.

“Oh, well. . . good to see you,” and off he went. Who knows how our conversation affected him–I can only pray that it caused him to think. 👍👍
lol that reminds me of when I told one of my acquiantances that I’m attending a Catholic Church. This acquiantance is from Campus for Christ at my university, and I used to be involved in that club as well, when I was a Protestant. I’m sure he thought I’d be attending a non denom. or a Baptist church… so you can imagine the look on his face when he found out it’s Catholic! it was actually VERY awkward… 😦 he was trying to be nice about it but he kept on looking away and saying …“oh… well…that’s…oh…” etc. poor guy lol.
 
what do the extreme left, protestant fundamentalists, and satanists all have in common? they hate the catholic church.

i have liberal, feminist, and gay friends who consider me a bigot for being catholic.

i have fundamentalist and protestant friends who think i am a pagan involved in heresies.

it makes you wonder, why are so many so violently opposed to catholicism? could it be that it contains the truth?

no reaction surprises me, you just have to follow where you think god is taking you. come home to rome!!
 
Yes, I was raised in a Protestant family that hated the Catholic Church without understanding what the Church actually believes. Therefore at the age of 16 my parents sat me down and gave me “the lecture” (after having discovered I had had Catholic inclinations for the past two years) which is NOT a fun memory! Then, when I told my friends, they had sort of expected to hear it, but were disappointed nonetheless and I found I could no longer talk to them about spiritual stuff anymore. They seemed to have this attitude like, “You can’t possibly know anything about God because you’re a filthy Catholic now…”

I was received into the Church this year and, despite the hardships at home, it has been the most wonderful decision I ever made.

What bothers me, though, is the reaction of some Catholics. Cradle Catholics who accuse converts of stealing the spotlight or trying to be “more Catholic than the Pope” or reverting to extreme traditionalism. Yes, there are many problems associated with both groups but I hate it when I read stuff like this because we are supposed to be one family in Christ. I think many people fail to remember what we have gone through just to be able to practice our faith.
 
Yes, I was raised in a Protestant family that hated the Catholic Church without understanding what the Church actually believes. Therefore at the age of 16 my parents sat me down and gave me “the lecture” (after having discovered I had had Catholic inclinations for the past two years) which is NOT a fun memory! Then, when I told my friends, they had sort of expected to hear it, but were disappointed nonetheless and I found I could no longer talk to them about spiritual stuff anymore. They seemed to have this attitude like, “You can’t possibly know anything about God because you’re a filthy Catholic now…”
:hug1: I wasn’t raised in a Protestant family, (I was raised agnostic then Orthodox) but I had similar reactions from a few Protestant friends/acquiantances. I feel like i can’t talk about spiritual stuff with many people I know, because my approach is so different. I’m still so glad I converted though 🙂
I was received into the Church this year and, despite the hardships at home, it has been the most wonderful decision I ever made.
🙂
What bothers me, though, is the reaction of some Catholics. Cradle Catholics who accuse converts of stealing the spotlight or trying to be “more Catholic than the Pope” or reverting to extreme traditionalism. Yes, there are many problems associated with both groups but I hate it when I read stuff like this because we are supposed to be one family in Christ. I think many people fail to remember what we have gone through just to be able to practice our faith.
I’ve noticed this too. 😦 I know what you mean. God bless.
 
I just get a kick out of society’s perception of the Big Bad Catholic Church! It shows we Catholics are on to the Truth, that’s for sure! Expect it…it is as it should be, since we are not to be ‘off this world’ and should be counter-culture.
 
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