Bizzaro vs. animal rights

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The_Reginator said:
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I’d disagree, as animal agriculture is pretty inefficient when it comes to providing calories to people. You could feed a lot more people with the grain that feeds the cows then you could feed with the meat you get. We only have cheap meat in the first world at the expense of people in the rest of the world.
The transition of world agriculture from food grain to feed grain represents a new form of human evil, with consequences possibly far greater and longer lasting than any past wrongdoing inflicted by men against their fellow human beings. Today, more than 70 percent of the grain produced in the United States is fed to livestock, much of it to cattle.
—Jeremy Rifkin, Los Angeles Times, 27 May 2002
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Feeding grain to animals is highly inefficient, and an absurd use of resources.
—Vaclav Smil, University of Manitoba
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There is no benefit to society whatsoever, unless by “society” you mean “Americans with disposable income.” The resources used to raise meat animals could much more wisely be used to feed people directly. In a world where 20,000 people die of starvation every day, 70% of the grain grown in the US goes to feed meat animals. The amount of grain, pastureland, and water used to raise cattle is a terribly inefficient waste.

Miz

Edited to ad: We cross posted; basically, I agree with the poster above. 🙂
 
The_Reginator said:
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Well, I haven’t been talked out of eating beef yet, and it’s extremely highly unlikely that I will ever be talked out of eating beef.

However, I have changed the way I eat beef: I either raise my own, or I buy one from my next door neighbor. Either way, I know they have access to clean water, pasture and/or hay. I don’t grain myself personally, there’s no need if you have a lot of grass. It’s not good for them as a sole source of food. Grain should only be used for supplementation (and of course that’s MOHO). I know of their treatment, I know they have a good life, I do not own a hotstick, and I know they are dispatched as quickly and as painlessly as possible. I feel very good about they way they are raised.

Nope, won’t talk me out of that wonderful veal chop that I’m having for dinner tomorrow, nosiree…
 
Rence said:
Well, I haven’t been talked out of eating beef yet, and it’s extremely highly unlikely that I will ever be talked out of eating beef.

However, I have changed the way I eat beef: I either raise my own, or I buy one from my next door neighbor. Either way, I know they have access to clean water, pasture and/or hay. I don’t grain myself personally, there’s no need if you have a lot of grass. It’s not good for them as a sole source of food. Grain should only be used for supplementation (and of course that’s MOHO). I know of their treatment, I know they have a good life, I do not own a hotstick, and I know they are dispatched as quickly and as painlessly as possible. I feel very good about they way they are raised.

Nope, won’t talk me out of that wonderful veal chop that I’m having for dinner tomorrow, nosiree…
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:clapping: AND I won’t be made to feel guilty about it
 
athansor said:
I’d disagree, as animal agriculture is pretty inefficient when it comes to providing calories to people. You could feed a lot more people with the grain that feeds the cows then you could feed with the meat you get. We only have cheap meat in the first world at the expense of people in the rest of the world.
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Miserys_Fence said:
There is no benefit to society whatsoever, unless by “society” you mean “Americans with disposable income.” The resources used to raise meat animals could much more wisely be used to feed people directly. In a world where 20,000 people die of starvation every day, 70% of the grain grown in the US goes to feed meat animals. The amount of grain, pastureland, and water used to raise cattle is a terribly inefficient waste.

Miz

Edited to ad: We cross posted; basically, I agree with the poster above. 🙂
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I was actually a little surprised that Wesley J. Smith put that comment on his ‘Secondhand Smoke’ blog. He’s a great bio-ethesist (sp?) but I think I dissagree with him here.

I’ve always understood the efficiency of eating the food that is grown rather than using it to feed an animal that you eat later.

That said, I must clarify that I am not a vegetarian. For me the greatest benefit of not eating meat is that it is much easier to prepare a meal.
 
kimmielittle said:
:clapping: AND I won’t be made to feel guilty about it
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We shouldn’t as Genesis 1:26 says, Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the Earth."
 
chessmane4e5 said:
Reminds me of debate about Gay Marriage I was having with someone.

I said that Bestiality would need to be allowed if the only purpose to homosexual-sex was pleasure.

They disagreed and said that the animal can not consent.

I shot back, “We do not ask for their consent when we kill them to eat them.”
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Good shot. 👍
 
" Meat provides good and nutritious food for people at a very reasonable price."

I disagree with this statement, you can get far more protein from lentils and beans at a fraction of monetary, environmental, and human cost. I am not a animal rights activist though, nor a vegetarian, just informed.
 
Ah, the inefficiency of making meat does not outweigh it’s deliciousness though 😉
 
Jermosh said:
" Meat provides good and nutritious food for people at a very reasonable price."

I disagree with this statement, you can get far more protein from lentils and beans at a fraction of monetary, environmental, and human cost. I am not a animal rights activist though, nor a vegetarian, just informed.
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But…but "lentils and beans’ produce methane 😃
 
chessmane4e5 said:
We shouldn’t as Genesis 1:26 says, Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the Earth."
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🙂
 
addictedkoala said:
Ah, the inefficiency of making meat does not outweigh it’s deliciousness though 😉
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True, I think its just important to remember. Plus lentils if cooked properly have a very meaty taste and strong umami, still does not beat a dry aged porterhouse, but who can afford that everyday:).
 
anything dumber than me. is dinner. 😛

i was watching that show “the alaska experiment” these silly people were darn near starving but there are bears all over the place. they were trying to shoot groundhogs with a .22, i wonder if it ever occured to them that you can eat a bear?
 
warpspeedpetey said:
anything dumber than me. is dinner. 😛

i was watching that show “the alaska experiment” these silly people were darn near starving but there are bears all over the place. they were trying to shoot groundhogs with a .22, i wonder if it ever occured to them that you can eat a bear?
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I would be afraid to shoot a bear with just a .22 :eek:

Just make him mad and then I would be dinner 👍
 
chessmane4e5 said:
I would be afraid to shoot a bear with just a .22 :eek:

Just make him mad and then I would be dinner 👍
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i wouldnt shoot a bear with a .22 either, but i would shoot some bear bait and trap him.

with a snare, or a pit. if youre really brave, you can hunt him the same way you hunt wild boar, bait them into charging you and then set a spear at chest height when he rushes. im probably not that brave when there are other options.:eek:
 
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