Black Hoods

[malphono]

So far as the headwear of the Syriac Catholic bishops is concerned, I think the kamilavkion is weared over the eskimo only by the Patriarch and the Patriarchs Emeriti. The bishops wear only the eskimo, although rear outside liturgical celebrations. They usually wear the Roman biretta.

Perhaps you’re right that the pseudo-kamilavkion is only used by the Syriac CC Patriarch. I personally knew the current Patriarch when he was a simple bishop (actually, for quite some time before he was a bishop), and never saw him wear it. Now that I think about it, I also met the former Syriac CC Abp of Damascus, and it was the same. Both wore a zuchetto (under the eskeme), BTW, but not a biretta. FWIW, I have never seen another Syriac CC bishop depicted in a biretta either.

I think Chaldeans have also adopted the Roman biretta. As for the Armenian Catholic bishops and Patriarch, they wear a kamilavkion with a veil. I think it is the same with the Coptic Catholic bishops.

I’ve never met one in person, but the only representations I have ever seen of Chaldean bishops show them wearing only a zuchetto. Syro-Malabars, OTOH, consistently shown with zuchetto and biretta.

One thought on the pseudo-kamilavkion: It seems to me (and I cannot prove this) that it was adopted by certain Orientals mainly to differentiate them at a glance from their OC counterparts. That’s the only explanation I can think of that makes any sense.

 

[ag_vn]

Escuse me, it is my mistake. I definitely meant zuchetto in my entire previous post in all places where I have written Roman biretta. I know the difference between biretta and zuchetto

As for the biretta, I have seen it worn only by the Syro-Malabars, too.

 

[malphono]

Actually the Oriental “cassock” does NOT open up the front but is solid and pulls on over the head.

Which is, by the way, how a great many Romans don the cassock. Others un-do the buttons down to just below the waist, step in, then do-up the buttons again. It’s rare that someone actually opens and closes all the buttons each time. Too cumbersome.

I believe this thread was referring more to headgear though.

Yeah, but the diversion is fun too.

 

[ciero]

Which is, by the way, how a great many Romans don the cassock. Others un-do the buttons down to just below the waist, step in, then do-up the buttons again. It’s rare that someone actually opens and closes all the buttons each time. Too cumbersome.

Yeah, but the diversion is fun too.

The “cassocks” I was referring to have NO buttons except a few at the neck. And yes it has been a fun diversion

 

[malphono]

The “cassocks” I was referring to have NO buttons except a few at the neck.

Yes, I know what you mean. It’s monastic garb in the Syriac Churches (and I believe we can include the Chaldeans, and probably the Armenians and Copts here as well). When we combine the concept of “secular clergy” with some degree of latinization (or, in some cases, Byzantinization which is almost as bad), we get what we have in practice now. Still, though, even for the secular clergy, it’s interesting that the over-garment (the equivalent of the riasa, known by varying names and with varying cuts depending on the Particular Church) is still ubiquitous except among the Syro-Malabars. At least that outer garment is authentic. Better than nothing.

And yes it has been a fun diversion

 

[MrZetterlund]

It inda reminds me of something off of the Lord of The Rings.