Black Magic

[Shoshana]

It is against Church teaching to address evil spirits at all. Many people have gotten themselves into trouble doing so. I used to be part of a team for an exorcism for 5 years under the supervision of two priests blessed by their bishops! If you have nay problem with evil, call a holy [riest. He is ordained to do such work. In the meantime, the rosary is an effective weapon against the devil and so in the Our Father.[/COLOR]

Here is the article against imprecatory prayer:

saint-mike.org/library/Curia/Congregations/Faith/Exorcisms.html

For some years there has been an increase in the number of ecclesial gatherings which seek liberation from demonic influences, even though they are not properly and truly exorcisms. These groups, even when a priest is present, are led by lay persons.
Since the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has been asked what ought to be thought about this, this dicastry is of the opinion that all other ordinaries should have the following response:

1. 
   *]Canon 1172 of the Code of Canon Law declares that no one is able to legitimately undertake exorcisms of the possessed unless expressed and individual permission has been obtained from the ordinary of the place (section 1). The canon also establishes that this permission ought to be conceded by the ordinary of the place only to priests who are distinguished in piety, knowledge, prudence, and integrity of life (section 2). Bishops are, therefore, strongly urged to see to the observance of these norms.
   
   *]From these prescriptions it follows, therefore, that no member of the Christian faithful can use the formula of exorcism against Satan and fallen angels, extracted from that which was made law by Leo XIII, and even less are the able to use the entire text for exorcism. Bishops are to bring this to the attention of the faithful as it is deemed necessary.

 

[RoyJr]

I noticed that you sited H.O.M Ministries, which sells Francis MacNutt’s Deliverance from Evil Spirits. That led me to look for further info on MacNutt:

WHAT SPIRIT IS THIS?

In your opinion…was St. Paul a liar? Read Eph 6:12-13
"
For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens. Therefore, put on the armor of God, that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground. "

FYI: I’m not a “charismatic”. I’m a Christian. I’m not a “demon-mania” person either, I just know my enemy & his agents.

How I’ve come to enjoy the thorn in my side you’ve become as of late. God bless you JPII2.

 

[RoyJr]

It is against Church teaching to address evil spirits at all.
Wrong. If that were true then Jesus never would have taught us to pray the “Our Father”. The verse in Sacred Scripture reads “deliver us from the Evil One”.

Many people have gotten themselves into trouble doing so. I used to be part of a team for an exorcism for 5 years under the supervision of two priests blessed by their bishops!

 

[Shoshana]

Wrong. If that were true then Jesus never would have taught us to pray the “Our Father”. The verse in Sacred Scripture reads “deliver us from the Evil One”.

‘Deliver us from evil’ is not an imprecatory prayer at all. You are not addressing the evil, you are asking the Father to do so…and this is exactly what the church demands.

But YOU never performed the “exorcism(s)” yourself, did you?

Never. I was used whenever i was needed by said priests. I was a servant of many things.

Formal exocism, no. Deliverance is not the same as “formal exorcism”.

Deliverance is ecatly that: imprecatory prayer. I was in the charismatic renewal for many years and i know the terminlogy very well. You, spirit of fear, I command you in the name of Jesus to desist, etc.’ This is imprecatory prayer, and, if there is truly a spirit, one may find himself in trouble. This is what the church is asking us not to do.

Can. 1172 §1. No one can perform exorcisms legitimately upon the possessed unless he has obtained special and express permission from the local ordinary.

§2. The local ordinary is to give this permission only to a presbyter who has piety, knowledge, prudence, and integrity of life.

That other paragraph you quoted is not part of the Canon.

You are right. Ir is part of the document,
*Inde Ab Aliquot Annis *and that is why it is written in different script. Read the whole document and you will read that there has been trouble with all of this. Deliverance is no different than exorcism if there is a true evil spirit within the person. The dynamics are the same. We are never to use imprecatory prayer.

 

[Shoshana]

I will second that!

 

[amel_soname]

hi maria

The bible talks very clearly about the existence of devil and the word devil is repeated in the bible for more then 30 time

devil know black magic . All witches and magician they do black magic through there evil spirits . these evil spirits do black magic in victim by magician/witches order

i am giving you symptoms of black magic if these symptoms match you have then its mean black magic was done to you

1. if some one sees motion or urine in his dream or see himself in bathroom or with the motion attached to his body, see himself/herself in unhygenic condition.
2. headache.
3. the whole body is in pain.
4. the one wishes or wants to have sex.
5. back-ache or has pain in kidneys
6. smelly farts.
7. feels like the body is on fire.
8. the whole body remains hot and so does the mouth.
9. eyes remain red and feels irritation in eyes.
10. you feel to go to the bathroom after a little while for urine and motion.
11. fast heat beats.
12. diffuculty in breathing and have chest pain.
13. become irritant.
14. face complexion changes and becomes darker day by day. the more worse the magic is the more your complexion will become darker.
15. feel pain in stomach and you will be having diarrhea like stiuation.
16. pimples appear on the face.
17. face becomes terrible no attraction left in the face.
18. feeling anxiety.
19. becomes impatient.
20. you have all the happiness in life but still you don’t feel happy.
21. what ever you eat you feel hungry again in about an hour and a half.
22. you don’t wish to offer prayer and day by day you go away from religion.
23. alwayz you have throat problem and the voice qulaity is also affected.
24. get scared in dreams. sometimes sees snakes, spiders, lizards, and cockroches in dream.
25. you have fear in your heart.
26. feels like some one injecting pins in body.
27. get pain in stomach and feel nausia.
28. become lazy. and sleep for longer durations.
29. you forget where you put things and spend rest of the day in finding. in money transactions give more money.
30. starts hating your self.
    31 - seeing blue or pink dots or seeing funny lines
    32 - feeling tired without any reason
    33 - by reading or hearing the quran do you get pain in your body
    34 - feeling sick and hot
    35 - always having a erection
    36- Twitching of body parts and soreness of muscles
    37 - hands and feet turn swollen
    38 - spots on the head
    39 - strong smell in your urine
    40 - when you cook a lot does a bad smell come
    41 - body feels cold
    42 - pain in the feet
    43 - seeing dogs and dead people as well as ants in your dream
    44 - going skinny day by day
    45 - taking medicine which works at the beginning then starts giving you more problems
    46 - seeing a women and man having sex meaning a wet dream
    47 - body head and shoulders feeling heavy
    48 - getting marks on your body
    49 - body feels weak for no reason
    50 - feeling dizzy and blacked out
    51 - getting red spots on the body
    52 - on hearing the azan you run away and you hate the azan
    53 Your sleep is disturbed
    54 Disinterest in life

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remember me in your prayer

amel soname

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